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[00:00:01] Speaker A: The best insight, instant feedback, accountability. The all new Talk Radio Freedom 106.2.
[00:00:08] Speaker B: Chatting with Mr. Paul Nahus here with me again back into the studios of Freedom as we discussing the amendments to the Firearms act and the fact that police officers are now, they know, moving a faster pace to get police officers to take their firearms home.
You know. Good morning, sir.
[00:00:25] Speaker A: Morning, David. Glad to be here again.
[00:00:27] Speaker B: I seen you. Come this way now.
[00:00:29] Speaker A: This way, this way.
[00:00:29] Speaker B: See me now, right, I want to see you.
[00:00:31] Speaker A: Excellent.
[00:00:32] Speaker B: Good to have you. Let me see which mic you're on.
[00:00:34] Speaker A: Right, My mic is on there.
[00:00:35] Speaker B: Let's make. Go ahead.
[00:00:36] Speaker A: All right.
[00:00:37] Speaker B: Nice again, man. Welcome Back to Freedom 106.5 FM. Just last evening, Monday the 7th, today marks the 8th. There's a situation that happened in San Fernando with an off duty police officer as he pulled his firearm and was removed from an establishment. However, the story unfolded when he went to the home of a female and enter the house taking stuff that he said is his own.
And of course a report was made, they say he was smelling strongly of alcohol and behaving in an erratic manner. He's presently detained at the San Fernando police station. So let me get your thoughts quickly, my firearm experts. Dealer.
[00:01:18] Speaker A: Not dealer. Trainer. Trainer.
[00:01:19] Speaker B: Trainer.
Srina, on these matters. Your thoughts where this story and the fact that they won't allow police officers. Let's hear what you have to say.
[00:01:29] Speaker A: Okay, so the commissioner made the statement that he's making. He's moving to allow more officers to take their weapons home. Now I'm going to go outside the sensationalism of the media sometimes and say, well now it's a new thing. Officers. And it's been portrayed in a way by some people who are just reading the headlines and not reading the story itself.
The commission never said he's letting all the officers take home their weapons. That's the first point. Second, there is a policy that exists in TTPS to allow officers to take service weapons home. However, they need to be vetted first and approved by the commissioner.
The commissioner has to approve weapons being taken home by police officers. Now any police service, when you assume the rank of inspector or acting inspector, you get a firearm, you get a firearm, which you call keep and carry, to take a service arm home. Once you get to that rank, from the police armory.
[00:02:20] Speaker B: Inspector.
[00:02:20] Speaker A: Yeah. From inspector up.
[00:02:22] Speaker B: From inspector up.
[00:02:23] Speaker A: That that is supposed. And if it hasn't changed, that is supposed to be basically automatic.
[00:02:28] Speaker B: So they give you that.
[00:02:29] Speaker A: Well, yeah, they give it to you under, under conditions. They give you the Firearm to take home from the police store. They get the firearm to keep and carry the firearm to take and a certain amount of ammunition with it. However that has to be accounted for. Often when police officers go on extended leave or so that writer must be returned for the period of time.
So there are stipulations.
[00:02:50] Speaker B: Right.
[00:02:50] Speaker A: And at any point, at any point in time, the commissioner could revoke that. At any commissioner has the authority, whether he does or doesn't, I can't speak to that, but they have the authority. The commissioner could also approve certain officers who are not of us of that rank to take home the firearm or the. I should say take home a service fire.
[00:03:07] Speaker B: A service fire.
[00:03:08] Speaker A: Correct. So how that works, is that how it's worked in the past? Is that members of certain units, we like to say automatic, not really automatic, but it's assumed when you're in a certain unit you'd be allowed to take home that weapon. I know members of the sort unit, members of the mops, these places usually get their keep on carries to take home because of the nature of their job.
So when I worked as a subject matter expert some years ago, not that many, a few years back, I had actually recommended to expand the program in that, in this way. This is followed by logic here. You have to be obviously vetted by the commissioner and so on. The anti kidnapping unit, I remember I was altered in their firearms and the anti kidnapping unit at the time, I'm not sure about normal at the time they were not allowed to take home service arms. As in it wasn't a.
[00:03:53] Speaker B: You had a sign for it when you come to work and leave it when you're going home.
[00:03:56] Speaker A: Correct. And my logic, when I spoke to the. Well at the time, the head of the not unit, the head of the, the entire division in charge of that, of the antiquated fell under the AK and I said okay, well listen, you guys aren't considered like some other units to have need for that automatically. Right? The way I see it is if you're a member DAV of your anti kidnapping unit, right, let's say you're my Manti kidnapping unit, you get a call that somebody is spotting whatever, someone has potentially been kidnapped spotting this vehicle, partner, whatever, and you are, you have to go to the nearest not stationer, to the nearest AKU unit unit to collect the firearm. So if you are coming and you are driving past and you see a car fit in that description flying on your other way, you know, you have the option now of giving chase, state unarmed where those Criminals are obviously armed or going to retrieve your fire. I'm just calling it in, trying to follow from a safe distance. You have some calls to make that can be simplified. That, hey, if you have your weapon off duty, you could now give, you give chase and know that if they come out, if you are blocked off and confronted you, you at least could defend yourself now.
[00:05:01] Speaker B: And while you're doing that, you're also reaching out and you're relaying information.
[00:05:06] Speaker A: Keeping a safe distance is one thing, but you could now follow to an extent where you can keep track of the unit without, of the sorry vehicle, without that fear of if I get blocked with, if someone comes out. I mean, you have the fear of it still. But now you know, you could at least return fire. Defend yourself as a police officer, not as a civilian. Remember that. Not as a civilian.
If a police officer witnesses a robbery and he's not on duty, he's a police officer 24, seven even if he's not on duty, if he has the means to enforce the law, he has a duty of care to enforce the law.
But if he has a means, well.
[00:05:41] Speaker B: It'S similar to us as citizens. If the police solicits your assistance to apprehend us as supposed to be.
[00:05:47] Speaker A: Yes, let me touch on that. This is, I'm waiting to see that play out in court right now because remember this, you are being asked to apprehend somebody. You have no formal training.
You have, one, you have no formal training. Two, given the crime situation in the country, the danger that could present itself if you were to hold assist police, right, as, as it's supposed to be your lawful duty if they ask for assistance and that person gets injured.
A civil suit may, a criminal, criminal suit may follow. A criminal action may follow, but a civil suit may follow as well.
[00:06:21] Speaker B: Yeah. Because you on top of that and, and, and outside of the civil suit, remember, because you apprehended the suspect with the police you assisted, you may be calling for evidence, you will be calling.
[00:06:32] Speaker A: For evidence, you'll be calling to court, you'll be. It will, it is going to end up being a burden on your life that you never signed up for.
That is one of the things I think they need to look into in terms of amend law. And so now I'm not saying not be helpful to police, but you can't. A police officer cannot tell you to put yourself in harm's way. If the police officer tells you to help apprehend someone who has a firearm on him, you see, you're supposed to follow Lawful instructions of police officers. There's a line where it becomes unlawful or it becomes just plain or dangerous to you. And you need to make a judgment call to protect yourself because you have no duty of care to the public. As a citizen, as a police officer, you have a duty of care.
[00:07:13] Speaker B: And I'm very happy that you mentioned that because there was a fine line in terms of how you would act in those type of instances. And I have always of the opinion that if it is me, I, I know you had to arrest me and charge me at that point I will face the charges and I will, I'm.
[00:07:28] Speaker A: In agreement with that, but I'm not.
[00:07:30] Speaker B: Gonna put myself because it's beyond me as a, as Devi interfering or beyond yourself as Paul interfering. This is now your family, correct? Because if they can't get to you, they get into your children, your daughter, your son, your brother, your sister, it's not your family.
[00:07:44] Speaker A: When they charged that person in City Gate, if I'm not mistaken for not assisting a police officer and he said that, listen, I don't know who this person is. I have a. I have my family. I don't know if this person will come back for me. The state of the country or so them getting bailing. And he went back and he gained and he went back to charge and charge the man, which I'm very sure he's going to get over that charge. I'm very sure.
[00:08:03] Speaker B: Too nonsensical. It's just a waste of, of. Of justice in this country. Because at the end of the day, given the crime situation, we have to wonder now when it comes to the. The firearm training with police officers, I mean you as a former consultant and so forth and a training officer as well, what does it speaks to with allowing with this piece of legislation or this thing on the agenda with government to allow officers to take in their firearms. You mentioned anti kidnapping squad. And again they have information a vehicle fits the description. It says it is driving weird on the road, speeding it increasingly limit on the main road 50 and them really hitting some kilometers. You recognize hey, something wrong. Something is a missed and this vehicle matching and you decide to give chase. You are saying it should not be for every police officer?
[00:08:51] Speaker A: No, obvious not every police officer. And that's the thing I know as a police officer working at charge room station, you can apply for keep and carry. You know, you can ask your senior to recommend you to the police office to the commissioner for keep on carrying. The commissioner review it because of some kind of circumstances that have now made you vulnerable and a direct target because they do it for prisons as well because prison officers who get to take home firearms, they have to be assessed, they do a threat assessment. And so so for every police officer has a right to that in terms of what he put.
And the commissioner will decide one way or the other because it happened several times when I was working in TTPS where there were officers that had an unusual level of threat or something, a direct threat to them. And I wouldn't say I would have stepped in, but the commissioner would have asked many times opinion on certain things. Look, so if the threat assessment says X, Y and Z or so, then the officer obviously is going to under some danger. You have a. If once you assess that the officer is a reasonable is reason to take it, his seniors also will recommend him in that. And if you require medical testing, if you acquire psychiatric evaluation which you should, you know, be of song mind working the police anyway. But whatever you require to add on, I have no problem. But if there's a threat, it should be moved on in, in this, in this manner. And in several cases the commissioner would have granted persons just police officers in a station. Hey, no report for keep and carry because obviously you're under some kind of danger, some kind of threat. There, there could be a lot of improvements to the policy the way I see it, but it's, it does exist. Now here's a, here's a problem. I want to touch on this for a second because as you know, my company deals with people that want to apply for FULs and.
[00:10:30] Speaker B: Right. We talk about that at length the last time you were here.
[00:10:32] Speaker A: Yeah, correct. So in terms of that there was an issue and I'm bringing it up now because it was a conversation I had at the time with the person in charge of the firearms, the unit that division that. No, sorry, the division that the AKU fell under at the time.
[00:10:47] Speaker B: Anti kidnapping squad.
[00:10:48] Speaker A: Yeah. And he was talking, talking about some of his officers who applied for fuels and you know, we're talking about, just, just chatting right, Talking about some applied. I say, yeah, well you know, keep on carry if whether it's that or keep on carry at the same time they need somebody to be protected as well because they may be targeted by criminals and you know, again, threat assessment and all that. But I said, you know, we have to address the policy in terms of police whereby they are given keep on carry, whereby they are even issued to go to a firearm on a daily basis. Because he had mentioned that he had some officers that did not pass the psychiatric evaluation.
I said, hold on.
They have not passed a psych eval to own a firearm, but they are carrying a weapon every day on duty and I'm talking about an automatic weapon.
And he said, well, they're under supervision.
What? I said, hold on, hold on. I said, what? Wait, wait, wait, wait. They're under supervision. I said, what does that mean? He has, the officer has a gun in his hand, has to make a judgment call.
[00:11:48] Speaker B: All design.
[00:11:49] Speaker A: It's not as. It's a human being, it's not a robot, it's not an on and off. He has to make a judgment call. You're telling me somebody that can't pass that or did not. Or did not pass. Sorry, did not pass that at this time. Because a medical psych is a snapshot in time. Right, right. You always be re evaluated.
But I said this is something serious and we, you know, I'm going to bring the commission's attention, but we need to address this kind of thing. It is, it is very serious. And at the time he said, well, he, his opinion was under supervision, so that's not necessary.
[00:12:18] Speaker B: No, no, no.
[00:12:18] Speaker A: I'll say this, Paul, that is scary, that is frightening. But I'll say this, that luckily that was only maybe about five years ago or so. But the new commissioner seems to have a very forward mindset, a fourth thinking mindset and I'm very glad that they have someone. I don't like to say, well, you know, age. Some people, with some people age comes experience or experience of age. Sorry, some, not this, this guy comes in, he's young, he seems to have a good wealth of experience in his way. He was working Special branch. Yeah, a special branch. He made a good Korean Special branch, I think, being, I don't want to say divided by the system, but in a certain corner of the system for a while has given him, I don't want to say outsiders perspective, but he can think a little more outside the box than some of the officers who would have come up in the system itself and unknowingly been tainted by some of the mentality that has permeated throughout the system.
[00:13:09] Speaker B: The thing for me is quite simple and I want to get your thoughts as a consultant as well with the ttps from time to time or in the past.
Officers, a firearm is part of their.
[00:13:23] Speaker A: Uniform, you can put it that way if you want. It's tools of the work. So tools of the job. You go into industrial estate, you can't walk onto most industrial plants without having your ppe. Right. It's the same thing for them.
[00:13:35] Speaker B: Good comes out the same thing because they reach into the police station even though they are placed on desk duty. In terms of station diary, you're the station diary log keeper for the day for this shift. You still have to sign for your firearm and have your firearm and it's on you.
[00:13:49] Speaker A: Correct? 100%.
[00:13:50] Speaker B: And you writing. So in your respected opinion, if an officer. Because this is a snapshot in time, so persons must be reevaluated.
[00:13:57] Speaker A: Yeah.
[00:13:58] Speaker B: So this time you're fairly psych eval because of whatever circumstances befall you, family wise, otherwise bills, whatever. And you're a little mentally unstable. It doesn't mean that you're mad for life. So you come back four years down the road, you do a psych eval, you pass it, you're good to go. The ones that did not pass the psych eval in that snap in time. What are your recommendations and how should the public view this in terms of the officers being on the job?
[00:14:23] Speaker A: So the first thing I would like to have the public understand is that police work is not easy work.
They have to deal with some of the most horrible things out there. And it is very traumatizing to a lot of officers. It's traumatizing one what they have to deal with outside and then the other party trauma is dealing with the police system itself.
Okay. That, that frustrates officers to no end. Now if it comes to stage where.
So I do advocate for mandatory physical, mental and soul testing at periods of time for police officers.
[00:14:53] Speaker B: But what is the time frame though?
[00:14:55] Speaker A: I mean I am not a medical doctor so I wouldn't want to see. But I would think from what I have seen every six months or so, to be reevaluated six months a year. To be reevaluated six months a year.
[00:15:05] Speaker B: That is for officers for that. That's.
[00:15:07] Speaker A: Yeah.
[00:15:08] Speaker B: Any ful hold.
[00:15:09] Speaker A: What about no ful holder once a year but once they go to renewal.
Because I don't want to. You see, you don't overburden the system as well. Once again, some water fuel has to go to renew their license to pay the licensing fee and to renew every year when they come in to renew at that point in time you could check documentation, training, all of that. That could happen once a year. You don't need to overburden the system because remember you're creating another function for police to process things and so on. So I mean once you could be fine. I am subject to correction by any medical doctor.
So I'll give You that disclaimer now, in terms of the police and what they have to deal with, they should be assessed now. And when I say assessed, I'm not talking about, you know, we have a. Sorry to say this in Trinidad. We have something when, hey, well, this person can't pass this or something happened, get rid of. He let him go home.
[00:15:57] Speaker B: No, but then what do we do with the officer?
[00:15:59] Speaker A: Correct, correct. You're creating a problem in society. If you do that right, you're being honestly unfair thing to the officer because of what they have to go through. And you're being, you know, you're really not understanding the impact on society that could cause 50 disgruntled police officers because of something have been kicked out of the service or so and they. It's. You're looking for disaster in society right now. Right now.
What I always believe in this and it's same thing if you feel training, remedial work, okay, you have not passed physical fitness, a mental health examination, you haven't passed that. Okay, you're still an officer.
What can his service do to help you now? And that is what I want to get at. Not. All right, you feel that? Go, no, you are one of us. What can we do to help you? The same thing. If you're in a company, if in a company and an employee has a mental breakdown, you don't start to say, all right, how we send this person home one time. No, you have your part of the family here. Yeah, exactly. You have the employee assistance programs. And so your party found, hey, we are in some trouble. Let's see how we can help you. And then you do some remedial work. If it has to be psychologists, psychiatrists, if it has to be these things, the service will need to see how they can help this officer to bring them back to some sort of usefulness to the national country and say the national public and that type of interest. I want to point this out as well. Look at it from a business perspective. A lot of money goes into training a police officer. A lot of money is invested in that officer.
So just send them home. It's a loser investment, you know, well said.
[00:17:30] Speaker B: Never look at it that way. Let's take this quick phone call. Hello, good morning.
[00:17:32] Speaker C: Yeah, I think all officers off duty, on duty should have a firearm because you can sell them already you have a good chance to get rid of them. But what I really called for is this. You have 6,000 police officers in the service and none of them. But none of them.
[00:17:59] Speaker A: Okay, so very quickly, well, first of all, they're about, they are more than 6,000 officers. Yeah, about eight.
About eight without SRPs, eight plus without SRP. I consider SRP as an officer.
[00:18:12] Speaker B: Right?
[00:18:12] Speaker A: They are, they are, they are. So that's about 12,000 police officers looking at. Right. So not everyone should be allowed to take their gun off duty because they have a. It has to be assessed because you can't just say well it'll be a free for all now. And I'm not saying to hold back on that but have timely assessments done and if the threat assessment source says that because of the state of the country right now, that that should be reason, no problem. But once it's done in a way that the police could show that they have done some kind of, they have taken some kind of steps or process to just make sure you know, and of course checking domestic situation and stuff, we cannot ignore that as an important factor. Look at San Fernando, look what happened.
[00:18:50] Speaker B: San Fernando, that happened yesterday. But one of the things person's not understanding as well, even though they got the office goes home with the gun. Remember to me there's a one shot incident vibes because let's be honest and straight here. You take home your, your, your carry on, what do you call it?
[00:19:07] Speaker A: Keep on carry.
[00:19:07] Speaker B: Your keep on carry. So you have your keep on carry with you and you're going home with it and one situation jumps off and you use that keep and carry. The level of investigation and the length of investigation going to follow you, I don't know correct you out because you with your own purchase firearm, don't have it either.
[00:19:24] Speaker A: No, I want to bring this up as well.
I'm hoping the commissioner reinstates this because when I worked there I would have piloted a program that I brought the commissioner the time accepted fully and brought to the table whereby before you go for your keep and carry, you do a specialized course in having a keep on carry.
So because you as an officer will learn to log your firearm out, take it and take it for use on duty. You were never trained for concealed carry or to have it at home. Things like what in guarantee law with children around, domestic issues, how to go because you know about take it out.
[00:20:03] Speaker B: Sign for it in the book, bring it back on you, you reach back home.
Yeah.
[00:20:07] Speaker A: Even concealment, all these things. So IDEA designed us course, a special course for the ttps that as soon as we piloted that. Okay. Before you get your keep and carry, you come immediately to the academy. You do this course. It's one day but you have to Go through whole. You go through the whole day of it.
[00:20:21] Speaker B: You must understand.
[00:20:22] Speaker A: Yeah. And then when that's signed off on you go straight to the armory, pick up your keep and carry because now also to your covering legal liability, you. If I give you. You come to work as you come to work and I have a security company and you're a security officer and this is a gripe I have with security companies. I give you a battle, guaranteed battle as a battle officer and I give you no training with that and you won't boss somebody head because it's happened open up to serious liability. I am giving you tools I have never trained you to use in the. And use in the context.
And at the time, unfortunately a lot of police did not want to touch that program because it was something they weren't sure about or so. So I actually was in the. I went in the academy and I taught that program and I was teaching it to officers that were about to receive the keep and carry and officers who got the keep and carry and never did that training. And unfortunately when, at the time when that commissioner had left the following commissioner rescinded that and now it's just. They just throw it out. So you just okay, go and collect.
[00:21:18] Speaker B: It, keep on carry nonsense.
[00:21:19] Speaker A: Correct.
[00:21:20] Speaker B: The thing about it is I want to talk about concealment, but let me take this call quickly. Hello, good morning. Hello, good morning. Quickly.
[00:21:27] Speaker D: I listen to the program and I heard about it the other day here happening right now. They're not all, not all of us. Well, they'll say police officers, right.
May have the, the, the, the, the, the situation, you know, the comfortable situation, take a firearm. Because I can remember there was a magistrate that was attached that I knew well then you know, we were close to him and he had, he and his wife had a little car and she actually went to fight. They were actually physically fighting Fargon his license by him.
So what about it? Yeah, but they have spouses who are like in control or who totally like in control. So area you got to look at too. What about it? Now you have teenager sons where maybe I have conflict but you know, daddy have a gun. So you know, that's another area we look at and in a very critical area. So you will have to know your personal family circumstances. You may not want to bring it to the forefront, but they could just say well I don't wish to really be a participant and kind home if you may offer to me and kind of my gun because you, not everybody may want to bring out that to the public. But you ought to know your personal situation, how much control you have over your home in terms of other individual.
[00:22:33] Speaker B: All right, thank you very much.
[00:22:34] Speaker A: He's correct. But the police can't force a gun on you in terms of a keep and carrier. So you could always turn it in. If it's a situation, the officer always has to say, listen, because of my situation, I don't want it, I don't want it. Or if you have it and something happens at home. And this is where maturity as adults come in, where we have to say, you know, something, something going on here, let me, let me put this back in the armory for now.
[00:22:53] Speaker B: And leave it there.
[00:22:54] Speaker A: And leave it there. Yeah, one station. Leave it there.
[00:22:56] Speaker B: All right. As we continue with the concealment, you mentioned that officers are trained to come to work, sign for a weapon, go out on official 24 hour duty, off duty, they come back, they're signing out, they're clocking out their car, as it were, they sign the arm the firearm, log it back and they go, what is the importance of concealment? Is it law that you, if you are a fuel holder, that you have to conceal or could you have it like Western?
[00:23:21] Speaker A: You know what? According to the law, and I'm going by the law, according to the law, there's no law for concealment.
[00:23:27] Speaker B: Exactly.
[00:23:27] Speaker A: So zero. There's zero law for concealment. So what? Now an incident happened a few years ago where somebody reached for something. It was in, I believe it was in our price smart. Somebody reached for something and their gun was exposed. And an officer, rather than just going walking up and saying excuse me sir, I'm a police officer, I see you might have slipped your concealed Monday if I just see if I am licensed to make sure you're a firearm holder. You know something on that level.
He decided to go and harass the man for. And I say harass, saying basically he brandished any weapon and he's saying branishing is against the law. And I've heard that more than one occasion after the branching against you, there's no law for that. And then what happened is an officer in one of those situations try to turn it around and say, well, it was assault at common law because, you know, putting somebody under fair threat. So he asks who is he somebody? He said the public, you can't solve the general public, you know what I mean? So I mean it's, there's no law for that. That's one thing in legislation that needs to change. Now I remember within reason because somebody's shirt could get Hooked up on something or so on, the firearm could be exposed. And you can't have somebody charged for that because that's not, you know that those kind of things realistically will happen.
So there's no actual law about concealment.
[00:24:36] Speaker B: That's what I'm saying. You could walk, you could be like a Westerner. You have your belt and you are your gun and your jersey talk to you. It's in here according to the law.
[00:24:45] Speaker A: That the law not speak to concealment.
[00:24:48] Speaker B: So if I decide if I get a firearm user's license and I get one of them leg straps and I put my gun in that and I move him with my leg strap.
[00:24:54] Speaker A: You know what? Nothing in law says you can't while common sense says you can't. And I would send you for additional psych eval. You can't. You can't. It is. You can't. Sorry. It's not against.
[00:25:03] Speaker B: It's not against the law. So the man reaches up in Pricemart, he reaches up on a shelf to get something and his T shirt or jersey shirt, whatever, raised a little bit and it exposed the firearm. You as a police officer, on or off duty notice this person carrying a firearm.
Your duty of care to the public to make sure you go up to the individual and you know, I see your fire. I'm exposed a little better. I'm off duty police officer. I'm a police officer, not off duty police officer. And I just want to make sure that you're legal. So can I just see your ful permit, please?
[00:25:39] Speaker A: Nothing.
[00:25:39] Speaker B: And I dip my pocket. Here you go. All right, all right.
[00:25:42] Speaker A: Just making sure.
[00:25:43] Speaker B: All right, buddy. Be safer.
[00:25:44] Speaker A: Watch yourself. Careful with, careful with that.
[00:25:46] Speaker B: Because you know them fellas watching around that. Yeah, that is basically.
[00:25:50] Speaker A: And you see there's a officer who I had done a course with law enforcement leadership advanced law enforcement leadership some years ago.
McIntyre Kenny MC, a retired senior super believe he said something in our class and I'll never forget this, he said 50 of policing is discretion.
[00:26:08] Speaker B: My goodness.
[00:26:08] Speaker A: And that, that always stuck with me.
[00:26:10] Speaker B: I didn't.
But. But it's always at the discretion of the officer.
[00:26:15] Speaker A: And if the officer sees a situation does not he does again. You see people, officers don't understand their use of force applies to everything they do. De escalation at every point. It must be everything across the board. Not just when there's something going on at every point. They need to understand the use of force continuum, minimal use of force policy, use of force continuum at all times. Try to de escalate that's why a lot of times you see in other countries the US is infamous for this officer will go from 0 to 100 but he'll be at 0 for a while. You know, be polite because he knows what the end result is. He knows what the end result is if you decide to jump out yourself.
[00:26:53] Speaker B: Noted.
I have another call coming through. I have a next question for you. Hello, good morning.
[00:26:58] Speaker C: Yeah, question quickly. Does the sergeant of the district station when you applied for FUS privately private citizen, will the sergeant come home by you to see where that firearm is lost? Because if you're in the bathroom you have your firearm.
[00:27:12] Speaker D: No, no.
[00:27:14] Speaker C: Right. Harvest in the house, you have big children, every boy can like pull that trigger if it's loaded or unloaded.
[00:27:20] Speaker B: All right, we get your point. I got the question. No, I can answer that.
[00:27:24] Speaker A: But you know, you got you guys, you take this one.
[00:27:27] Speaker B: They must come home and check you must have a safe. So if you're going to the bathroom, you can and you live with the family members. You can't have hazardly rest your gun on the toilet.
[00:27:35] Speaker A: Not this necessarily sergeant's agent, but an investigator.
[00:27:37] Speaker B: An investigator, imagine. But an investigator comes in before they grant it to you, they must see where you're going to store it. They have to be, they must be proven that you have a safe. A safe is required, that's a prerequisite.
[00:27:49] Speaker A: The safe must be bolted into the ground, on the wall or it difficult, difficult to move. It has to be difficult to move. It cannot be.
[00:27:54] Speaker B: It can be easily transported because there.
[00:27:56] Speaker A: Are people who have not had the safes bolted. And when it's not about when you go filling on the safe side filled with concrete and you can't move it once it's shorter. It takes about five men to move that process but they do investigation properly with that. And I'm telling you when they come to investigate for a safe, the officers will hold on to safe and shake it. Yeah, they check it properly.
[00:28:16] Speaker B: They check it properly because a man could just break in the house and just pick up your safe and go with it.
[00:28:20] Speaker A: Correct. So they actually take the, they actually make sure it could lock and make sure it's sturdy enough bolted in.
[00:28:24] Speaker B: Right. So when you go into the bathroom and you have your family, you put it, use your lodges your weapon safely and you go take a shower.
As a matter of fact, we're walking around yours with your weapon in the first place.
[00:28:36] Speaker A: Well, I have my weapon on me 24 7. So if I go downstairs for water at 12 o' clock at night. I have my weapon on me.
[00:28:41] Speaker B: Well, you see what you now say, go downstairs is that some people just had to walk out the bedroom door. But you're talking about going downstairs. If I walk out of the bedroom.
[00:28:47] Speaker A: Do I tell me to.
You don't play for my background. If I, if I, it would be a problem.
[00:28:53] Speaker B: Noted, noted, noted, noted. And of course, as we continue to wind down on the interview, let me take this quick call quickly. Good morning, baby.
[00:28:59] Speaker C: Good morning.
[00:28:59] Speaker B: Good morning.
[00:29:00] Speaker C: I know, I realize you're talking about the stand.
[00:29:03] Speaker B: No, no, we're just talking about the police officers and the keep and carry. Keep and carry firearms that they, that the government is.
[00:29:10] Speaker A: But the commissioner.
[00:29:11] Speaker C: The commissioner, that's what you're speaking about?
[00:29:15] Speaker B: Stand your ground. No, no, no, no, no. We're not on standing ground. We're just dealing with firearms.
[00:29:18] Speaker C: I think a police officer is held at a high standard because he's a trained personnel.
Right. So he will be held at a higher standard six months train. So you understand, you support policy. You understand carry, keep on carry. You understand that, that fire become an extension of.
[00:29:38] Speaker A: No, I, I, I want to, I.
[00:29:39] Speaker C: Want to be comfortable carrying a firearm.
[00:29:42] Speaker B: All right.
[00:29:42] Speaker A: No, no, I want, I want you, the firearm is.
[00:29:46] Speaker C: And you have a problem.
You have a problem with.
[00:29:49] Speaker B: Okay, we get a point. All right. I think we get the general consensus.
[00:29:53] Speaker A: The, the firearm is, are one part of the training.
[00:29:57] Speaker B: That's one part.
[00:29:57] Speaker A: For 60 not carrying a firearm for six months in the academy. A lot of people think they're doing six months of concentrating with firearms. They are not. They do a four. I believe it's a 40 hour course.
That's a part of it. That's a part.
[00:30:08] Speaker B: Maybe.
[00:30:09] Speaker A: Forgive me if I have the contact. I was wrong now because I can't remember exactly. But it's only a part of the course.
[00:30:16] Speaker B: The use of a firearm is that some, some people never hold a gun in their life. They join the police. That's part of the training.
[00:30:21] Speaker A: Yeah, it's only one, one party training.
[00:30:23] Speaker B: It's one party.
[00:30:24] Speaker A: They have A lot of police officers have to go through training. A lot of drill they have to do. You see the, you just have to understand the paperwork part.
That part is that part they skill them much in the academy.
[00:30:33] Speaker B: Yeah, but you don't understand law.
[00:30:36] Speaker A: You would hope they do.
[00:30:37] Speaker B: Yeah.
You, you are charged. This is the funny thing, they are not lawyers. So you don't have to interpret per se.
[00:30:43] Speaker A: Correct.
[00:30:43] Speaker B: But you have to understand what is legal and what is illegal.
[00:30:47] Speaker A: Correct.
[00:30:47] Speaker B: That's all you need to know. You are the opposite upholder of the law, you know, the keeper, the gatekeeper of law. So you come out on the roadway, you see somebody breaking the law. You are charged with the responsibility to help to assist the wider diaspora with upholding the law. So you hold the person you are now under arrest. You have just broken the law by breaking into this premises. That is illegal and I'm not understand.
[00:31:07] Speaker A: I'm not sure people understand the responsibility and that falls on them. You are now empowered to deny somebody.
[00:31:14] Speaker B: Their liberty, their constitutional right, the God.
[00:31:18] Speaker A: Given right of liberty. Yeah yep, they can, they can suspend for somebody.
[00:31:23] Speaker B: Hello. Good morning.
[00:31:24] Speaker C: My present. Morning.
[00:31:26] Speaker B: Yeah quickly as we're getting close to the top.
[00:31:28] Speaker C: Yeah well I could tell you from experience half of all three quarter need to go back and be trained because they are bullies.
They just like to cost you, bully you, advantage you.
[00:31:43] Speaker B: Well thank you but I don't want a broad I thank you but I don't want a broad brush situation because it's not all officers. I will never forget Paul, some years ago before the demerit point system came into play. Officer stopped me. Now how the officer stopped me, right? I was coming up, I was at, I can't remember I was driving or maybe close to 100 and approaching the lights, it changed to yellow and as I got to the to the light across red but I crossed the line going across. They run my across. They say I broke the line. I say officer, the speed I was coming, there was a man behind me. If I had mashed my brakes I could have run the risk of an accident. So it hit red as I was in the checkered box. Yeah, run my dong siren. He came out, but I got a ticket for running a red light. That happened about maybe 10 years ago, but I got a ticket but he came, put on the glass, he showed me his identification. He said good afternoon sir.
[00:32:37] Speaker A: PC so so so so so so.
[00:32:39] Speaker B: So attached to the at that time it was the highway patrol unit. Yeah, right unit.
And do you know why I stopped you? I said I, I don't know, I, I crossed the lights. He said well you did you know that you ran a red light? I said well I didn't run the red light. He said okay, I understand your position. However, it was my observation, this is the officer talking to me. It was my observation that you ran a red light and as such I would need to see your driver's permit and your insurance, please.
[00:33:07] Speaker A: I did. He identified himself, he explained, he asked you if you were Aware of what happened. He explained to you what he observed as a police officer. He asked for your documents and then he issued the. The issued what he had to issue.
[00:33:21] Speaker B: That's right.
[00:33:21] Speaker A: And professionally now that. That is a good example of an officer doing things by the book in a proper manner because he can do things by the book and then be a hog.
But he didn't know. He is a proper professional man.
[00:33:33] Speaker B: But those five things. He also gave me the time of the day.
[00:33:36] Speaker A: Yeah, no, no.
[00:33:37] Speaker B: Good afternoon.
Right, so it was a lot. All right, let me just take this next call quickly. Hello, Good morning.
[00:33:44] Speaker C: Yeah, but the gun and the home. Right. We have to review our trespassing laws because you could be the garden. I have a garden. I have a yard under the house. So we have to look at the trespassing part of it, your property and then it's light. Thank you.
[00:34:03] Speaker A: Trespasser. A very particular area of law that I hope they review and they will have to review that part of law when it comes to bringing out any standing ground legislation that will have to be addressed. But trespass is a very particular thing in law and a very specific thing. So hopefully gets addressed. Davey, before we close off, let me know because you know, I have to give a little plug for myself. Right.
So just letting general public know that while the system for FULs has changed very recently, the commissioner is trying to make it more streamlined and I think he's doing a good job of streamlining the process.
The process has changed. However, Blue Line has you covered. My company does all of the, all the, all the heavy lifting from the beginning, all the support services. So in terms of your documentation, in terms of now. Well, they want the medicals up front now. They were saying that recently.
So we do the medical by me, the psych eval, all the documentation. They want certain supplemental documents now with letters of consent and stuff. We have templates for that. We give out all of that as a matter of fact, CoC appointments now. So if a character, they want that again, it's online. You have to book with the TTPS by me. We actually do that. You just come in, we upload your picture, we do the fingerprint form to print out. Fear to take to the station, make the appointment.
If anyone want interested in applying for an FUL the correct way and the legal way, they can always WhatsApp or call me on 718-4069. They could feel free to reach out to me because while the process has changed, we move very quickly in being able to provide all These services as well as legal services. Disclaimer. We are not an agent, we do not process it. After we have helped you out with all the support services, it'll have to go to ttps and TTPS are the ones responsible for any processing and approval.
[00:35:43] Speaker B: All right, thank you very much.
[00:35:44] Speaker A: Thank you very much you for allowing me to throw in my plug.
[00:35:46] Speaker B: But you have to train your plug. What is that? You know Tusca Martinez comes up in the next 12 minutes and we have been talking with Paul is all about the usage of IAM. Now finally you have no problem with the keep and carry officer. So if there's a keep and carry policy that currently exists for police officers, why do we need legislation? Why we had to go through all this?
[00:36:03] Speaker A: No, they don't need, they don't necessarily need legislation for the keep and carry. Well you see the Commissioner, I believe what I think is happening is he's reviewing the keep and carry policy to see I guess if there's any way you could improve it or streamline it or make it more efficient. And I do agree with that. The policies to be reviewed and the units that get that are given preference it they do need to be reviewed and in some cases expanded in terms of that.
[00:36:28] Speaker B: I thank you very much Paul for chatting with me. As always a pleasure. We will again revisit some of these gun topics in the not too distant future. Stand your ground. Legislation is the coming September and of course Paul will be back.
We go and talk. Yeah, we could talk to Melissa. We'll bring you back. We definitely talk about these things. I personally don't want to fuel though.
[00:36:46] Speaker A: I think I would recommend you get one for sure Understand this and you know the Prime Minister said that if you're not happy with it then don't apply.
[00:36:53] Speaker B: Yeah, I'm happy with the law. I good with the law. Yeah.
I don't need that responsibility.
[00:36:59] Speaker A: It Is that a responsibility?
[00:37:00] Speaker B: Yeah. Anna, brilliant.
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