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[00:00:01] Speaker A: The best insight, instant feedback, accountability. The all new talk radio Freedom 106.5.
[00:00:21] Speaker B: Welcome back. It's 26 minutes after seven.
As I said to you all, we do have an interview at this time. It's related to the relief efforts for Grenada, St. Vincent, the Grenadines and others.
Welcome to our program in studio, founder of the NGO is there not a cause? That's Avanel. Hector. Joseph, good morning to you.
[00:00:46] Speaker C: Good morning, sir, and thanks for having us.
[00:00:48] Speaker B: Nice to have you with us. And we also have project coordinator Brent Hector as well. Nice to have you with us as well.
[00:00:53] Speaker A: Yeah, sure, Harry. Good morning.
[00:00:54] Speaker B: There's been a lot of discussion amongst our population as to how we can help because we've seen the images, the videos, we've heard the testimonials of what Hurricane Beryl has left in its wake up the islands and the devastation. And there were some drives immediately after, as quickly as they could to send relief items and all those. Your organization is one that has been doing this kind of service for a pretty long time. Just before we get into what is actually happening, let me allow you to give listeners who still may not necessarily be aware, tell us about the NGO, is there not a cause, how long you've been around and all of those things?
[00:01:44] Speaker A: Okay.
[00:01:45] Speaker C: Good morning to the listeners. This is our 22nd year. We were formed in a morph because it's a very organic movement. In 2002.
We do relief and development relief in that. If there's a disaster, like in this case, we've done earthquake in Haiti, we've been to Louisiana, we've been to India after the tsunami, we have work going on in Kenya, throughout the region. We're now part of a number of initiatives. So that's the relief aspect. We do developmental aspects. We have something called pod portal opening destiny. We help persons and at risk community and moms to try to start micro enterprises to give themselves a level of self sufficiency. We do transitional housing. At the moment we have three transitional housing. You are transitioning, you lost your job, your house got, um, flooded, fire, whatever it is, um, you got evicted. You've seen the red flags in a, in a domestic violence situation and you need to move on. We provide temporary housing in three of our facilities. We are at present building our safe house and also we purchased land in east part of Spain to do something called the city Outreach center, which is going to be like a day center. You can come, you can shower, get a haircut, get a meal, you can go on the computers, you can get help to search jobs and grants and different things that are available. We look at developmental projects, probably put in schools, wells different things in community life skills. So that's the long term and the immediate in terms of disaster response.
[00:03:15] Speaker B: Hmm. I know that we've heard these stories. We've seen numerous interviews with you and all those kinds of things. Just before we move on, how would you describe the need for the services that your organization provides in our country at this point in time?
I remember you had put up a video that I had seen, and you were upset, to put it mildly.
[00:03:47] Speaker C: That video got like over 100 something thousand.
[00:03:49] Speaker B: You know exactly what I'm talking every now and then. And you were talking about the challenges and what's going on. And is that still the situation? Has it gotten worse? Has it gotten better?
[00:04:01] Speaker C: I'm trying to remember. That was prequel.
There are things that we don't. I don't want to wax that way, because people see that when you speak about what has happened, then they misconstrued as being political by simply saying what is right. And so there's a sizable amount of our population, for whatever reason, be it political expediency, be it that they just genuinely don't know, choose to believe, or genuinely don't have the data to know how many persons in Trinidad are hung. People make when anybody in Trinidad poor want to be poor. That's a level of ignorance that I try not to segue into to deal with. Right. We know people personally who eat every other day. We know people who, when they come to us, they haven't eaten for three days. And you know, because if you're, if you're working for our glorious $20 minimum wage, you will find that if you live in Indigo, Martin, you're spending 24 hours, $24 to get to work. If you live on the end of the go, unless you walk to junction. So you're working for more than an hour to pay your transport to go to work. If you work on eight hour data out of that, you're gonna have to pay nis or whatever it is. Um, a loaf of bread is almost 1 hour. So when you do that, that is the reality. So we have what we call the working poor. And so there are persons that really just can't, after they've paid their end, their message, you know, the people we are working for, dignity, because what is left is barely enough to survive. And so that is why another reason that we are glad that the hurricane didn't hit Trinidad, because what we found is that in countries where, where there are people living at a certain level, it's hard to bounce back from natural disasters.
[00:05:33] Speaker B: Yeah, I understand fully what you're talking about. And I saw a very creative social media person.
They've started analyzing how many hours someone needs to work to pay for certain things.
[00:05:48] Speaker C: Yep, I didn't see that, but I calculated in my head daily and that's a tough thing. Right. So if you're working 8 hours, 1 hour is for transport, an hour and a half is for meal, but not even an hour and a quarter is for transport, and a half is not really a meal because you will get a meal for 30. Right. So say 2 hours for me. So that's three and a half hours. And then if you have your children, two children to send to school, and let's take a girl on the bossy paper. So it's very hard. So that's where our work comes into. So outside of a disaster, we are giving that kind of support to people. Giving them clothes, meals, helping them when they get evicted because they owe the landlord some. Some money. And he said, you know, I've been gracious to enough. So that's. I know we had to talk about disaster. We want to let Trinidadians know because people always say, like, people say, um, there's no poor people in Trinidad. And then when you, when you ask those same people to support outside project, they say, we have more people here. So we need to decide if we have what we don't have. It's kind of.
[00:06:48] Speaker B: Some people are just, they're just convenient in their responses.
[00:06:51] Speaker C: Thank God. The majority of Trinidadians are extremely generous people and they come out time after time. If there was a time he had earthquakes and hurricanes, like quick succession, and every time the Trinidad responded in a most heartwarming, beautiful way. And we see people who come together, we know they have luck, but in spite or despite their own lack, they look and they see the images and they say to themselves, you know, my situation is nothing as bad as that. Let me bring a case of water, let me bring some canned stuff. And I think that is the overall arching spirit of Trinidad and that we have been beneficial to as an NGo because we're not state funded, we're not really corporate funding. Corporate TNT would come along like times like this. But generally we raise our own funds and we depend on the grassroots support the population of Trinidad and Tobago and those in the diaspora. And they have come up for the last 22 years and enable us to do Nearman service to our brethren at home and across the region and even internationally.
[00:07:56] Speaker B: We are very thankful for that I understand.
I try to make the world around me a better place.
The listeners, we come together. Ever so often people approach. It's been seven years now that I've started doing these things.
And we've done a lot with the listeners coming together. When there is a medical case or right now, we're helping children to get their school books to go back and.
[00:08:19] Speaker C: That kind of thing.
[00:08:21] Speaker B: That's an investment.
[00:08:22] Speaker C: Yes, it is, it is.
[00:08:23] Speaker B: But what I've noticed, and I'm sure you tell me the situation is the same with you, is that things have gotten so much harder for so many more people that if somebody used to give you a dollar, they're giving you $0.50. That's for the people who still can. And then there are some who say, well, listen, Mac, I gave you the 50 cent bargain, 25. And then there are people who are saying to you outright, well, I can't give you again. And it's an indicator of how bad things are generally, you know, because usually when people have plenty, they give plenty. That's just the way it is. Let's speak about what's going on with grenade and our efforts to assist. Now, I know that there are many people who have already helped. They've given one way or the other and they want to help. So what's taking place?
[00:09:08] Speaker A: Hi, good morning again.
Right. So as I've not mentioned, one thing we never fall short of, regardless of our situation in Trinidad, is that we respond trinidadian, Trinidad. Our hearts are big and so it knock is another cause. As usual, we mounted our mobilized pretty early and we started receiving donations.
We sent some stuff up two days ago. Already we about to pack a ship to send Packer ship after here with 10:00 we'll be packing the next shipment from our St. James location to a boat that is leaving in Chakaramas.
So what is required? So we must be doing a disaster of different phases, right? So we have we still in the early part of it where persons have been put in the shelters and stuff like that, right? And so we what is needed? A lot of lamps. The. Just remember Tobago, you may hear more of Carrie crew, but the Grenadines island has shifted into two sets. Some as quota could belong to St. Vincent, but as a part of Grenada. So you would find the union.
[00:10:21] Speaker B: Yes, Union island was decimated.
[00:10:23] Speaker A: Decimated.
My rule also decimated. Pity. Martinique, right. Those small grenadine islands were affected. The northern. The northern part of Grenada. You're not hearing much about that. Kayakuam is also affected. So that in this particular phase, obviously stuff like water, food supply that could be easily prepared. Not things that you need a big kitchen for to prepare, obviously blankets, tarpaulins, cuts, mosquito nets, mosquito repellent. I mean, right now in the process of doing a lot of cleaning, right? So you need cleaning supplies, whether disinfectant, bleach, water, boots, gloves, shovels, wheelbarrows, yard rooms, pressure washer, generators for electricity. Always very important.
And yeah, of course, as I said, water, water filtration systems, all these things are very vital at this stage. It's important. Note that we go to this stage and once we start hit early recovery, then the question of more clothes and other support, the same food, but more clothes and start looking at building supplies.
We have to look at, as I haven't mentioned, people who were vulnerable before a disaster, right? Who below the poverty line, they had probably disabled family that are senior in the house. They have young nursing mothers or children in a house. These people are even more affected. So therefore, baby formula, baby supplies, diapers, wipes, etcetera, adult pampers, right. As we start to go and assessments keeps coming out, you would see people need to be DCM folks may need to be. May have their hearing aid, their wheelchair, their crutch, the special bed replaced, right.
Because they were already in that situation from before. So what I would advise is that trend down Tobago and know that in the heat or the heart of the disaster, everything is in a news cycle, but our recovery takes about 18 months. All right, so we have, at this stage, we get the most out of giving.
But just I want your listeners to know that two months, three months down the road, things will still be required as you move into a different phase, right.
To get people to see some seemingly back up to normal. Okay, so. So you can work with it. I mean, it's another cause isn't the only organization by any means that is doing this. As I said, Trinidad and Tobago, they could always tip that off. We always, I mean, we tank corporate Trinidad for giving us arm those who have given boots, like. So a lot of private citizens have been using their boats, right? Any shipping industry to ship supplies up free, which is great because that cuts off a large portion of our cost having to pay for shipping. So those companies are running. And if there are more companies who will need to have a boat to run some cargo trips up the islands to St. Vincent, Grenada, that is always, always welcome. Um, so we want to thank that having containers, we do need some trucks and stuff like that to move supplies because we have seven other good on the list of collection points we have all over the country. So we need the logistics of getting those things to our location and the pack and carry to the various. Whether it's in Shakarama's location. Karen AJ. Or on the port and port of Spain where the ship is leaving from. Who knows? We might. We may get a call and said a ship is leaving from point. Lisa's. Right. So we're gonna talk. Yeah. So this is how we function. We look for opportunities with dealer, with the logistics. Because I just want to just add this. Right.
Responding to disaster. Several key areas.
You can donate goods, donate money. I've not given the account. Right, that's it. You need to coordinate on arrange to actually ship this stuff out. Right. But the other, there's a part you have to coordinate online to distribute.
[00:14:30] Speaker B: Well, that was my next line, because, um, how does that work? Okay, so. So you get the stuff.
[00:14:37] Speaker A: Yes.
[00:14:38] Speaker B: And you package it and you ship it off.
[00:14:40] Speaker A: Right.
[00:14:40] Speaker B: When it gets to Grenada, wherever it's going to, what happens there?
And the reason why I'm asking is that there is so much aid that's going to be coming from all over the place.
And one of the problems I have is that coordination is always lacking when it comes to actually distributing here at home. It's terrible when we have floods. I mean, I have instances where it was reported that one person had 17 or 20 mattress in their house, because when the aid comes, it reaches a certain point because they just can't go anywhere else.
[00:15:18] Speaker C: That 17 mattress thing is not. It's not a common thing because we've met more people who had no mattresses and met persons who have two or three mattresses. So that is unfortunate, but we have to be very careful in that, because there are people who use these narratives and populate the space, so that it's almost like to give them that ease of lack of empathy.
[00:15:39] Speaker A: Yep.
[00:15:40] Speaker B: No, but how does it. How does it work when you reach the grenada?
[00:15:43] Speaker A: Okay.
[00:15:43] Speaker B: Is there an organizing agency there?
[00:15:45] Speaker C: Or we can speak to our methods that we have used as a small NGo, and even as we grow, we have expanded. So in this case, we have to use more than one executing partner on the ground. And Brent, speak to that as a coordinator.
[00:16:00] Speaker A: Okay. So how it is, is that we would mobilize our partners in the various islands. Right. Whether it's an NGO, faith based organization, etcetera. From the moment we recognize a storm system may be coming in right now, those NGO's and our partners, they would already have a network so even before we actually send our people across, right, they would start mobilizing their volunteers. And in a disaster, it's important to get assessments. So you want to get as much information continuously as possible, what areas are affected, what might be the needs, etcetera. So that as we ship things, we ship things to do to these folks and they then distribute, they give us a report. You could have to give some kind of report, right? So if, for instance, if items were given to area X, what items? Maybe get a number of the people that may have benefited. Because we need to be transparent to our folks as well as things kind of set along, myself or someone else would land with some volunteers and they would find a base of operation. And as the goods come in and saying, we owe it to our donors to ensure what they call last mile, right. That if we just take it and ship it, but responsible, we fight 210 years to try and get those goods so that we can be charged. Because again, if you gave us $1,000 cash or whatever thing, we owe it to you to make sure that at least we oversee as best as possible how that is distributed. I must tell folks it is a challenge because we do have to work within the country system, right? Do we matter? So that sometimes a country like in this case, may see everything has to come to the essential distribution and then they would distribute it.
We tried. We have been negotiated. We negotiate by the grace of God. We have managed to come on. It's a hurdle and a natural thing we have to fight.
We work with also, when a natural disaster is declared, the UN and their bodies come in and they help the offer everything from coordination services, supplies, et cetera, et cetera. So you have all of, I think, what, six or seven different UN agencies, you have the Red Cross, another major ngo's, they also come in. So the idea is that once you on island, you seek some form of partnership and relationship with them as well, because they may have what it always been, good, and it's proven this time and time again, is that we get volunteers in the crown, we make, we establish connections in the communities so we could get to move this stuff, distribute whatever, negotiate to get a truck or something, we find unique ways to get.
[00:18:42] Speaker C: It done with the military.
[00:18:43] Speaker A: Yeah, yeah, yeah. So whatever you do, whatever, whoever we could, we could align with is not as easy as a lot of people think. I admire the Trinidad folks for come, for getting all of this stuff in and distributing. But the bigger part, every part is important, but I think a part that we need to be aware of that. They, as you just mentioned, right. Picture for the flood in one small area in Trinidad and Tobago, right? Think about that country is devastated and you have international aid and stuff that could become overwhelming. And then, yeah, there's a balance between bureaucracy and agility.
Sometimes the bureaucracy. The only thing I see hurricanes on blow away is bureaucracy, right. Is the government bureaucracy. And I mean, this is for all across the board. I don't know where you go. So that's why when we put a call out for volunteers, we ask for volunteers who are capable, physically capable, but also good at making relationships because about making relationships and maintaining. If they have any contacts with any various governments that can vouch for us and say, okay, these guys have twelve pilots, it should be given to them, right. They would work. We would work in Dominica. We established that. For instance, that network where we reported into the emergency operating center relate to the government coordinators. When they have a place they couldn't have service, they would call and say, okay, understand this area, we need something. Could you, do you guys have any supplies that you could send? Yeah, and we do that. So we really try as best as possible to ensure that whatever is given, we just don't permit or fight, but make every effort to see that it is delivered into the areas that need delivering. The most vulnerable, the most affected in some cases, as I mentioned, the north of Grenada, you're not hearing about that, right? You hear about Karaku, which is because Karaku has been hit hard, right? But that's in comparison. It didn't mean that the north of grenade was not affected, right? It didn't mean that Tobago wasn't affected, but so that you manage the most vulnerable. But sometimes the most vulnerable got cuts all the attention and the other parts getting neglected. So it knock is very good, is another cause. It's very good at seeking out and finding all these niches and then trying to find the resources and donations into these areas as well.
[00:20:56] Speaker B: Yeah, I explaining to people all that confronts you in this process is important. There are some people who are of the opinion. Well, you see me when I give them that in their land and people will just come meet their buddy boots and take whatever they are getting.
And it's important for people to understand that there is this stringent process, all of this bureaucracy.
[00:21:17] Speaker C: It could take the easy route to know it doesn't take any and everybody does a different date. It actually doesn't take anything for us to gather all of these stuff. Take it to the port, put it on the galley and passage, take it down to any one of the boat yards on. In Chagamas and hand it over and trust that they will do well. And I'm sure they do. And we move on to get the next set of stuff. And we keep sending, wait, prepare for the next disaster because we're early in the hurricane season.
[00:21:41] Speaker B: This is the first one, right?
[00:21:42] Speaker C: Or we do what we're doing, which means that we are heavily invested in the process from start to as much as possible delivery. To those people that have been identified as being most vulnerable and being on the ground. There's a feel that you get in terms of. You might get it from a press briefing, but when you're there on the ground, you can get a better sense of, you know, that Bren can share with it from. Whether he was managing in Haiti or in Dominica, certain things that he was able to say, listen, guys, I need you to focus on getting this particular thing, because I'm in this area and nobody else came here. They were. We just happen to be passing through here and this place, we probably never heard about it before, and nobody else has come to them. Send up stuff on the next boat that's coming. Make sure you get XYZ. Then we are here. We put it out on social media, get on the traditional media, go to churches, mosque, whoever, to try to gather those things that Brent would determine is missing, or he might be there and say, listen, our international agency, just send them a whole lot of touch lights, but they have no batteries.
[00:22:42] Speaker A: We need batteries, stuff like that. Yeah.
[00:22:44] Speaker C: So it's a. It's a very fluid movement. Again, putting the things on the boat is one aspect that's great. People need to do that. But then there's also needs people like us to go. So we on Guangzhou, representing Trinidad branch and Tobago, we are there. On the ground is another cause. And we're also part of an initiative called Response Caribbean, which is a network. It's like a grass. Who's Carl coming from to say that way? Networking. Ngo's like ourselves.
[00:23:08] Speaker A: Ngo of Ngo's. An Ngo of Ngo's.
[00:23:11] Speaker B: You know, had it not been for NGO's, a lot of assistance that people have received, they just would not get because of the. Not because there's a lack of will from politicians or it's just because it's too bureaucratic. And all of these hurdles you had to get permissions and all of that kind of thing.
[00:23:30] Speaker A: Just looking for positions as well. Right? Because, I mean, what Dominic Otaki study and a lot of the agencies that we worked with, because Dominica in 2017 was the largest outpouring. Right. That's about 13 international agencies coming in. It was a difficulty to coordinate the resources. Right.
So I think now that Un, the Red Cross and these things are now recognizing the importance of having NGO's and cbos as part of the process to execute. Right.
I might execute, for instance, if they brought in 50 tons of building supplies, the NGO's are capable of bringing that in, distributing and getting houses build and roof repair requires. Right.
Smaller agents, smaller groups actually do that. And to be agile and quick and to do it. Right. So now you find there is more of a inclination with these agencies. So as they bring it in to find NGO's and say, okay, you do this, you once you could vouch you in an area, we can give you supplies and you could just report on us versus having to go to a whole sort of down the road, down the road, down the line. Down the line. I want to put it out. Um. The agencies are just too large for that. They have a purpose. You offer good structure, offer support, they bring some viability. But to get to and the rapid thing because there's too many times you hear reports of supplies being wasted or spoiled. Spoiled because the brokers you how it goes about actually getting a deliver. Which is sad, right. Which is sad. Or you may hear there may be several areas that in need, but you have a bunch of supplies just there in a storm. Storm, right. And our warehouse. But how do you get it from.
[00:25:16] Speaker B: Point is a point.
[00:25:17] Speaker A: Yeah. How do you get it to those people? I mean, so we were fortunate to see that when civil society, public sector, private sector, the military can come together to find that coordinating effort to really get stuff. So you have coordinated at different levels. Right. So the high level, the government and the large agencies, but you need coordinates and as you mentioned with those smaller, more agile NGO's. Right. For instance, when we need buildings, when we reach to doing the early recovery, we would put them at a word if person are experiencing building.
[00:25:50] Speaker B: But is there ever a case where in these places that are struck by disaster, you have a gathering of information where you would say to people, listen, you know, the aid is going to come in and come and tell us what you need and put your name on a list and let's list what your needs are so that when the aid comes, we can say, well, all right, person, aid needs this and that and the next. We have this and that and the next. Let's strike them off the list.
[00:26:16] Speaker C: So we did that in Jamaica in 2007 with Hurricane Dean.
[00:26:19] Speaker B: Right.
[00:26:20] Speaker C: What we did is that we, because we were sending a specific, specific containers and bringing specifically, we took the list and then, so then we decided, okay, this is all people that we have. Let's just say we have a thousand sheets of zinc, as they call it. We can give each person x amount. Or if you, we, when we walk.
[00:26:36] Speaker B: To the community, see how much you.
[00:26:37] Speaker C: Need, but everything is different. So that we were doing walk through community. Sometimes we might be at a base, right. And people are coming to us with, within these assignments because like, if it's a very major disaster, we might not always walk through the community. We might have a particular place.
[00:26:50] Speaker B: It's not practical.
[00:26:52] Speaker C: They set up in Haiti in that particular area.
Yeah. And then we work with, like. So for example, 2010, unfortunately, a lot of aid was blockaded at the airport, at the airport in Port au Prince. And we believe that is God who gave us wisdom. So we began to come through the border from Santo Domingo, bypassing the, the airport in Port au Prince. I was very. It was land. It was just chock a block. I mean, like, it was heartbreaking. It's like you were just passing there, seeing all of these, all this food covered with the military, tarpaulin and the Haitians holding the fence. And imagine you're hungry and you're outside that fence. And behind that fence is all our food. So we bypass it by going through the Haitian, the Dominican Republic. That's the only thing I use the Dr. For to help my haitian people. And then we got to our base. And so we had partners literally from all over Haiti come over a two day period every time when we would do whatever, sorting in addition to doing, going for longer times to do medical clinics and all of that. But we would have these giveaways. So they would come in something called a tap tap, which is like a. How to describe it? Like a pickup, twin car pickup. And partners from all over Haiti would come. We would load them with rice, sugar, flour, beans, water, and they'd pack up the tap tap higher. They got like 5000 us to go back to their community. And so we were able to dispatch hundreds of thousands of dollars us aid like that in an effective manner. And then those people are responsible to go back to their community and give the aid. And then we will go to Miami, purchase certain supplies that we need to sell it back to Haiti, maybe two persons might say. And we come back to trailhead, raise funds. We did that for months and we were able to be effective. And I think back then things have changed a bit. Because back then, the big agencies were more skeptical, like, you know, who you guys think you all are. But now we've seen that they're more open to partnerships because they realize why they might have the resources, the agility that a smaller agency or grassroots movement lends itself to might not always work for them. So they know what they want. They know what they have. They know they want to get it on the ground. And they will seek networking, trustworthy, trustworthy relationships with ourselves.
[00:28:57] Speaker B: And listening to you. And I'm picturing in my mind because I was in television at one point in time, so you see the visuals and what you just explained about the food on one side and the fence and this and that and the next and the other video of this or some, I don't want to use the term documentary, but some kind of documenting of all of these things would be real eye openers for people because people don't understand.
There are plenty of people in this country who talk about hard time, but they don't understand what some people on the outside are confronted with.
[00:29:33] Speaker C: And I want to say that's not a discount, the hardship that.
[00:29:35] Speaker B: No, no, it's not. It's not.
[00:29:36] Speaker C: But I just want to make that clear.
[00:29:38] Speaker B: It would give some people a greater appreciation for efforts like these. We're out of time, but as we end, let me allow you to give people contact numbers and so on.
[00:29:47] Speaker C: Okay. 3942-0427-6063-0576-0630-8 pull up odessa number for me and 742187. I want people to know that Saturday and Sunday we are at the Marriott in port of Spain. Saturday and Sunday from 09:00 a.m. to 05:00 p.m. we are at the Marriott Hotel. We are partnering with Marriott and there are three, six they serve where they engage their employees on initiatives like this. We are thankful for their ongoing support. You can call 715-6221 tomorrow night, Ion and Faye and Bunji, they our partners, they are hosting an initiative at Woodford Cafe in Chaguana. So 09:00 p.m. dJ's will be coming through. Artists will be, will be falling in. You can bring your food, stuff, toiletries, whatever they are. And today in St. James from 09:00 a.m. as we load the boat that's on the western Main road. We there till 11:00 tonight. Just pull up on the western main road. It's near to Sanders upstairs, Flo essence. We are going to be there from 08:00 p.m. we have a live show with gospel artists coming through. So that's today we are at upstairs fluorescence and every day we be. We've been there Sunday to Sunday collecting stuff. If you're in south better value Tobago, you can go to Tobago. Graspers supplies Bill Brown, a living legacy pharmacy in Arima or my medicine bag in Diego Martin, West Beast Plaza. Call us, we bank with Republic bank. Are we doing this? Are we reaching out to Caribbean's brothers and sisters? We call it the Carrie response.
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