Episode Transcript
[00:00:00] Speaker A: You're tuned into the all new Freedom 106.5. 106.5.
[00:00:06] Speaker B: Brenton Knights, good morning.
Good morning Mr. Knights.
Mr. Knights, Davey Murray here, Freedom 106.5 FM. You are live on radio with us this morning speaking on behalf of the Route 2 Maxi Taxi association and some of the challenges you all are currently facing. School has reopened as we know what is going on with the with fees for travel and all these things. What are some of the issues that are currently plaguing the route to Maxi Taxi association that you can share with us this morning?
[00:00:47] Speaker A: Well, all the issues that we have on the table for the past couple of years and in some cases decades.
The issues of terms are no hubs in some areas like for instance Arima, any hub in Sandy Grande is totally dilapidated.
City gators have some work to do in terms of getting proper management and we're working on that.
Speed limit still has 65 non transfers of PBL pass and the list just goes on and on and on and on.
We have some issues in terms of the Maxi Taxi fraternity because the route to Maxi Taxi is also a member of the association of Maxi Taxi.
That's the association that governs all Maxi island ride commute from Chagonas to Port of Spin. In terms of north south is very tarry put forward ideas of having an express lane or building a parity bush north south nothing.
It's just, just too much issues. You have the school concessionaries, the guys who transport school children not being paid and not being paid on time.
It's just a total, total mess.
[00:02:10] Speaker B: These challenges that you all are navigating through at this present point in time as it relates to the unpaid fees. Let's touch with that first.
What sort of correspondence or conversations was had with the former administration to get these things updated? And with that question being asked were there any, were there a conclusion in terms of being paid off when the last administration office following the new administration, were you all paid off then and are you all getting safe same challenges with the new administration today. This is one year in
[00:02:50] Speaker A: decimal, a revolving door.
Not being paid off from the last administration and the bill rolled over, it cleared off to a point and then they just keep billing because again they don't have a proper scheduling in terms of paying salaries monthly or weekly as the case may be the contractors to pay you whenever money is available, which is totally, totally unacceptable.
And as you all issue, what we've seen is just a continuance of behavior administratively from all governments, regardless of what party Line you to administratively.
How they look at transportation is totally, totally mind boggling in the sense that they don't understand it to a certain extent, although they came to.
But the proof is in the puddle in terms of what is being expected and what is the reality that is on the table.
[00:03:50] Speaker B: What I'm trying to figure out from you. We said contract signed to be paid when money is available.
Now I know that's just conversation, but when you sign, when the operators sign contract with the relevant stakeholders to transport school children, we. What time frame does the contractual arrangement say for fees to be honored?
[00:04:13] Speaker A: Just like I said, you will be paid when money becomes available.
And these guys signed up in the initial stages. How much? Years ago, in good faith. Because again, the sign of that program knowing is an essential service and transporting the nation's school children in a safe manner. And I could tell you that we've had incidents, numerous incidents. But one that come to the top of my mind is a school child that was traveling on a school concessionary bus to Northeastern College in Sandy Grande and one morning unfortunately she missed the maxi. Although the maxi wait a good little while and whatever the case may be, she ran late that morning and she didn't get the maxi taxi and unfortunately she never reached the school. That was the end of her school career and the end of her life as it may be very unfortunate. And because of these things, the guys and them know the importance of them providing the service.
And they did sign the contract at that time almost years ago in good faith. And it reached a point Norway, they're using that as probably as a weapon. They know or delay tactics in terms of whatever financial constraints or they just don't care, you know, they just don't care.
[00:05:39] Speaker B: Excuse me. You see the thing about it for me I think it was a bit ambiguous with that signing of a contract so loosely and open like that. I mean I understand the fact that you all are saying it's an essential service, but to put it up in the air that I will pay you whenever money becomes available simply puts me in a position that you can't argue with me for payments because I said when it becomes it's not available right now and then when I do get I can give you a little bit out of that and still owe you 65% while I pay you 35 and you still have to continue to provide a service. So I am wondering if you all ever saw to revisit. Is it that ambiguous contractual arrangement to have it at least more streamlined. Where are you going to Pay us quarterly, every six weeks, every every month, every six months. You know, have you all sought any sort of realignment to that contractual good faith arrangement that was happened that went down years ago?
[00:06:38] Speaker A: Yes, we'll be looking to revisit. But I will tell you the whole genesis of this issue. How that contract is aligned is just people safeguarding itself because you're constructed directly through ptsc, which is the whole scenario is not really their fault because you're really doing a service with the Ministry of Education and the government by extension. So ptse, but that clause in the contract that you have, that they contracted to you or you contracted to them because of the money challenges that they have upstream from the Ministry of Education and the government by extension. So what has happened? You're contracted to PTSC and you're doing your work for ptse. But PTSE doesn't, as you know, have a revenue generation mechanism. They don't really generate revenue to pay anything. They get subventions from the government so that they rely on whenever they get money from the government to pay the bills and to pay the subcontractors and the suppliers who supply service for them. So they put a clause there to safeguard themselves in the event that, hey, here we're going on a situation arise where we don't have any money and we get subventions on time from the government. You know, we put that as a clause to safeguard ourselves. But really and truly the drivers are really constructed by the Ministry of Education.
So again, it's a whole set of games.
But in principle, in dialogue, the agreement is really put there fortnightly and this is also a smaller contract in the sense, but that other contract, they will fail at any time. Again, it's just this system is just set up in such a way, it's very suppressive to growth and development and futuristic thinking.
[00:08:26] Speaker B: You know, I hear you on that and I want to commend you and the operators for at least seeking the interests of the nationals children in Trinidad and Tobago to get them to and from school in a safe manner. And you just highlighted the reason why, given that, that situation with the young lady that lost her life for missing this very crucial, crucial mode of transportation.
Moving on from that, have you all sought any sort of relief from this present administration and were there any promises or any arrangements currently on the table to mitigate these challenges that you all are experiencing?
[00:09:05] Speaker A: Yes, presently I'm the guy who is the interim president of the school concessionary, Mr. David Russell. He had extensive meeting, he had extensive meeting with the Minister of Education and also the line Minister of Transportation.
Again, the political will I of the opinion you've seen a lack of political will to get issues resolved when they are the revenue stream drive in terms of doubling the fines. And then as the case may be there was a political way to get that done and there was expediency to get that done and result where is that political win resolved on the table that affecting the country
[00:09:55] Speaker B: you mentioned another thing that I want to talk. I want to touch on and I do hope that you all get some sort of resolution to these school fees. I think this is a very critical area that government or stakeholders need to pay attention to and get these operators paid. Because you all have to maintain your own buses. They don't maintain it. You all have a standard fee that they pay you all to do the transport. But maintenance falls squarely on you to make sure that your machine is safe to transport. Let's talk a little bit about the passes that are non transferable.
All right.
When you look at that area and the bus not being able to transfer to the next of kin in the. In the. In the intense that the. The original owner becomes dies, passes on or too ill to continue playing the trade. But the bills still have to be paid. When you all got into conversations with the honorable Minister Eli Zakur on these issues were there any talks showing any sign of relief that this administration is looking to remedy that transferring issue which I don't see as a problem. Are you all getting any headway where that is concerned?
[00:10:59] Speaker A: In my respectful view again we have seen in the past talks and talks and talks. It took us to death the last administration and this government is this month will be a year and so far again I grew up with all people and they tell you a promise is a comforter fool. And we're just getting promises and and them came in on a mantra that when they win everybody will win. And in our sector I talking from our sector it's just promises. And you rightfully say the transfer that to me is that issue should have been dealt with decades ago. Because I will tell you this. When you look at in terms of other sectors you look at alcohol or bar in terms of liquor license was introduced to the better selection of my knowledge since then of 1955.
Right. I'll stand to be corrected. But to the best of my knowledge to the liquor ordinance license was introduced in this country in 1955.
And when you move on to the pharmaceutical I think it's somewhere in 1960 or 64. Somewhere around there to be corrected. But when you check how much years almost decade they put the show importance of alcohol and pharmaceutical products. The Maxitaxi have been operating on the borshoot in 1918, in the 80s, right. You're talking about close to 40 years. Over 40 years. And you have it on that permit system. And when you look at a permit system is really. It was really initiated for temporary basis. Maxis have been there basically operating now for many years on a permanent scenario. And we have made recommendations to get the license. Let's get the permit change over to our license scenario and even modernize it where you will be able to do a lot of online thing. You'll apply to the part online. If you have to put a driver on, you'll be doing it online. You'll pay for it online. The renewal purpose process will be online. All these people recommended and documented to the minister and the ministry, you know, and nothing have been moved. We have made recommendations in terms of showing that yes we know it is dangerous, speeding is dangerous but it also is just equally dangerous to be driving at a slow pace because one is non productive and it puts you at a risk. And from an engineering point of view the engine doesn't even get enough momentum to put your Putin before you have to relax. So you're running the engine. Just imagine you're driving a vehicle from Port of Spain all the way to point 14 where there are no traffic lights, no stop at 65 miles per hour. What ridiculousness is that? You see when you look at it.
[00:13:56] Speaker B: Go ahead.
[00:13:58] Speaker A: Yeah. When. When you look at other countries, right. And the data is there to show other forceful countries their speed limit has actually gone up in some instances at 121 13.
And I tell anybody could go and you could google it and you could see.
But yet while we moving backward we have a Mexican 25 people and you want him to go from Porter spin to point 14 on this new development highway at 65 miles per hour. What ridiculousness is that?
[00:14:27] Speaker B: You see the thing about it and I want to agree with you there because if you cannot advance the fourth gear, fifth gear, you continue putting the engine on a strain going to and from. I understand that as it relates to the priority bus shoot and the 65km not even miles kilometers per hour are there. Do you all experience speed traps on the. On the route where they. They're timing persons and you know persons are being.
[00:14:56] Speaker A: Honestly we in Route 2 we don't know anything about that issue on the 65 on the bus route because one there's a lot of stops on the bus route and there are also zones where there are a lot of schools in terms of school training and gathering when school is over and you to go to school. And they are zebra crossing so that, that that day could be within real, you know. So the 65 not too bad, not too challenging on the bushroot because again how the bus should get constructed and the amount of activities take place simultaneously on the priority bush. But any highway, any highway where you don't have to be stopping as a maxi taxi so regularly what sense I make it makes absolutely none, none whatsoever. But again if them see down there in, in the towers, they're not coming down on the ground and experiencing what you experience daily. And they just make those decisions or just allow arcade decisions or arcade rules stay there. I'm not moving to the modern times.
[00:15:59] Speaker B: I must agree with you there. I have to agree with you there.
I totally.
[00:16:04] Speaker A: You.
[00:16:05] Speaker B: You touch on a nerve there with me because I believe that these persons, these political luminaries sit in their office but they're not in touch with the true, true reality of what is taking place on the ground.
I believe you. How many trips does a school maxi make on a daily basis? Let me say one maxi doing the morning. Don't give me all, just give me one maxi operator doing the morning drop and an afternoon drop. How many morning drops, how many trips in the morning he would do.
[00:16:36] Speaker A: In some instances they will do three to four and it may have two long drops and maybe two short drops in between. Because PTSE tried the best administratively to structure it in such a way that it will be profitable for the maxi taxi to come off his normal route, the main route, the mainstream route and do that service. Because in some instances if they leave it in terms of one chip really non profitable and you wouldn't get a driver to say well let me leave on my normal regular route to come and do that service for the, for that. That rate which is a flat rate at that peak hour time. So what the administrator in PTSD and I'm trying to do is to have you do some double up chips maybe about two trips and maybe ask for a job in between to facilitate that. Because according to somebody routes and they may have more than one school on that road. So the facility that at times. So you will get an average three trips sometimes worst case sometimes or most case sometimes four in the morning and four in the afternoon to facilitate that. If you have long trips. Well then that is a different because and the rate will be able to cover that long distance. But somehow the instances some of these trips of them are very short. I was part of the system for many years are still there, but I'm not doing it. And I used to do a trip from from Northeastern when I was doing the relocation. When they relocated to the teachers college in Amval Seine and on average I used to do at least two or three trips in the morning and likewise in the evening. And we had about three maxis we met and we used to move that whole entire school. At the time it was four maxis. We used to move the whole entire school. Sometimes we had to make three chips and then we had to make trip. But we used to move the school when they relocated to the virus in some teaching college. Now they're going back there and I initiated to just back a little bit in the new role and function that I'm functioning as the president association.
[00:18:36] Speaker B: How does this affect these delayed payments? Remember, is it that the maxi operators that are the drivers that are doing these school pickups is it that they are using a bus that belongs to an owner where they have to carry in a daily fee? How does the. How does this impact. Because when you come off on the peak hours to deal with these school children, how does that impact the operator, the owners of these buses that they have to handing a daily rate to? How does it impact them?
[00:19:02] Speaker A: Yeah, it's challenging because what has happened sometimes in some instances the owner will pay the driver or you will have arrangement a duty school contract.
I will wait any money and in between school hours work when school is in session, you can go on the road and see what you can make for yourself. And when you have the boss on the weekend, if you get jobs, we will see how that will be able to facilitate. So a lot of times if it have a driver and the owner has a driver, the owner is the one who feels the full brunt of it. So he has to wait on his money and he has to keep that maxi and service that maxi and make sure that the maxi is operating.
If it's an owner driven when it's the same thing. But is that the concept will be just different. But at the end of the day the system is set up in such a way that the maxi has somehow self sufficient and the payment system is terrible. It's total. As one of my comrades made a comment on one hour interview you're talking about in this scenario here there's no salary. They have unions clamoring for an increase or bringing the the salary or the wages up to the current time, but they're still getting paid. Why is they negotiating and why is it that they're striking? Right, they're still being paid on time and getting a monthly salary as the case may be. It's just that they're working on 20 to 2012 or 2014 salary wages, but they're being paid. But in this scenario you're talking about guys are not getting the current copper rate one and they're not being paid, they're not getting salary is total ridiculousness. Which minister will come and function in the capacity as a minister in this modern times and network for salary? A matter of fact, let me flip, as I made the comment in the interview, let me flip it that we, the citizens, who is the employer put a contract in place that we don't pay the some of these government to all these government ministers and them until they perform properly, until we get the detection rate up to 75, until the economy is in a situation that it's sustainable for all the citizens and we have the gdp.
Is the guest still there? So we diversify the economy.
When we get all the social programs properly. When, when we don't pay the Minister of Health till we get the health sector properly organized. All right, good.
[00:21:32] Speaker B: That's a very good point. I challenge all those. I. You made a very good point and my mind went back to that ambiguous contract that was signed years ago and the fact that they have not been able to streamline it down to this day. But I have a call on the line to speak with you to ask a question.
Go ahead caller.
[00:21:46] Speaker A: Right now I don't know if I have the wrong context of the question. If it's, if this conversation is based on salary increase.
[00:21:52] Speaker B: We dealing with Maxi taxi, the Route 2 association, right. And their concerns, their concerns with late payment for school fees, non transferables of priority bus route passes. Even to transfer the bus from one name to the next is posing to be a challenge by the last administration and even this one.
[00:22:11] Speaker A: All right, Debbie, is one of the questions that I always ask because the previous administration come into play.
What did they meet with any member of the government before and what was the outcome of that meeting and what exactly is the key back? Because this doesn't seem to be, I know in the context of being paid for school and that type of thing, what were the reasons given why this money was not paid?
[00:22:39] Speaker B: Right, that's a good question. Brenton, the text the caller was asking when you all chatted with the last administration in terms of Getting school fees paid on time. All right, what was he was asking? What were some of the reasons that were given for the delays in fees being paid outside of when money becomes available? Were there any other reasons given?
[00:23:04] Speaker A: Well, again, the system has a. A horrendous administrative problem. Again, there is a contract. So when you get the contract with the contract that you're doing, it has to be vetted by PTSC in terms of what you're claiming for and the trips and whatever the case may be. But that is okay. When PTSC sends it up to the Ministry of Education, they might not have to go to a vetting process again to ensure that what is being claimed for is accurate. And then it has some problems in it. In terms of right now, to the best of my knowledge and my understanding, a simple thing as a signature. They put that thing in place where the principal of all school has to sign the claim form and stamp it in some instances administratively, the stamp a little fading so the person ink it up properly understand the form I wanted PTSD understand that is the principal signature. So this is okay, right? That's okay.
It's approved by the principal. When it reached by the Ministry of Education, we see the principal signature. But you know, we know all the principals. And let's imagine the Ministry of Education said we ain't sure who is the principal in this school. Let me say Northeastern or let me say Shogun as well. We ain't sure who is the principal. So this may be the signature. What we will really go with is the stamp. But the stamp will light so the Senate back down the road for you to go back and get it stamped properly in top and stuff.
What craziness is that? And all of these things based on how we're looking at it, is there tactics, delay tactics?
[00:24:33] Speaker B: We know the last administration had some challenge with the transfers. Did they give any reason why they did not want to allow for transfer of the Bushwood pass on to the next of kin the transfer of the right?
Did the last minister give a reason for the denial or the refusal to accept this as a challenge for you guys?
[00:24:55] Speaker A: For years we've been hearing that the past is the property of the Ministry of Education. That clause we could challenge that. And we keep saying that what you put in there is on a conditional provision. When you look at the whole regulation of the guidelines that govern the pbr, it have nothing in that in the general regulation state that the past is the property of the Ministry. All it speaks to issuing and governing granting to the applicant. The problem Is and we understand the system, you know, and I I don't want to go back to the restaurant saying I'm a Babylonian system or whatever. But we understand how the system functions. You know, the system wants to keep a whole on transportation. And if you're of the opinion that they give too much of power too much level to this sector here you will have no control. But it have mechanisms for that. So that they want to hold on to this.
This administrative control at the past is their own is the property of the state. In terms of administratively why. But how. How it is the liquor license they're able to transfer. How it is the pharmaceutical license is able to transfer. What is it in the same business? Is that same legitimate business in it? You know, in Trinidad and Tobago there's no difference.
There's no difference.
But it's because it's transportation and of the opinion a certain sector of society is more or less dominant inside of here that they want to have a control. I again let me just citizens and let me start thinking out of the box. A wide system sets up this thing in such a way for years. As a young boy I know it is a playway right Bush way that was something was localized. It had a certain revenue generated locally. It was being illegal for years.
The states are the profit in it and now they legalize it. I'm calling it clearly because profiting them. I know the system set up. I know the system is. We used to make bushram and fill it as Greek lady. But it is being illegal because it's localized. And locally the local citizens are able to benefit and earn a living industry they deem it illegal. And the system legalizes for pharmaceutical license.
And you have distillery for none. And. And it's legalized to be on the ship by the state. I know the system is the same thing applies when the system of your opinion you see this. We can't lead it in the hands of these local people for that to have liberation. We want our control on it. In my opinion to the minister and any minister come will never come out right and tell you in your faith why they don't want to translate. They will definitely song and dance and try to put laws and clothes and all kind of thing in place to tell you why. But if you have the hour of the sermon you will see where he reasons. We have to wake up in this country and understand how the system functions.
[00:27:45] Speaker B: I have a texter here that wants to share something with you.
[00:27:50] Speaker A: Morning Davy. Some of these school bus drivers maxi operators that's charged the parents money, although they have the government contract. And their argument is that they haven't received any funds so they need to charge the parents.
And I find that it's very unfair. And if you don't pay the money, they don't allow the child on the bus. And I'm speaking of in experience
[00:28:20] Speaker B: before you answer that question. Hello, good morning.
[00:28:23] Speaker A: Good morning Devi and good morning to your guests.
I wonder if baby your guests understand that what we are talking about here is money or the lack thereof.
I think that government authority says whether school bus drivers. Look, this is the situation.
When we have money we will pay you and if we don't have, we can't simple as that. Because the whole money structure in the country today has a very serious problem.
It has to do with the collection of taxes where the government does not collect enough because we have a broken system.
And to maintain the whole thing of a school bus system, it's a very difficult thing for governments. So this is really and truly a money discussion because you can't get blood out of stone. So instead of going through all these frustrations, school cup drivers should decide whether they wanted to wait or not and wait whenever I think they get the money because it's just about Money. Thank you D.B.
[00:29:22] Speaker B: all right. Thank you very much.
With respect to the maxi operators taking money from parents. Have you heard about that complaint and if so how would you address it?
[00:29:34] Speaker A: No, we haven't drivers taking money what had happened have some drivers who have private contracts, right? You're not in the system with the school concession. They have their own private contract and the parents and then fear that. But remember this school concessionary thing with the Ministry of Education in barcode. It's like a social program for parents who cannot afford to pay for the children and to travel to the provider option for them to civil aid. We will help you out in this because remember years ago we served as school school book, school bus not school but school book grants where you used to assist these these parents and them who may not be able to buy the school supplies to the children.
[00:30:17] Speaker B: All right.
[00:30:18] Speaker A: Social program so that caller understand what is the the genesis of the contract is a social program. I mean mastic taxi and taxi providers buying providing the service that is cool. Ministry of Education is improving back in on a social program.
[00:30:39] Speaker B: That's why. That's why I'm asking it. That's why I coming across with it for you. And my final thought this morning is the issuance the issue of the Arima maxi hub and the Grandy Maxi hub quickly and finally were you all able to have. Where would you want want do you think the Arima Maxi hub should be situated? Because I know where it is in Arima, right? For. For both the main road and the priority bus. Should you all drive up there? I know where it is and it really is. Is a. Is. Is a bit, you know, tedious for you guys through the little streets there. But where do you think would be strategical for the Maxi hub to be in the Arima area and Grande in
[00:31:24] Speaker A: the back of the market. That is ideal spot alongside ptsd. Compounding in the back of the market, the Savannah there, that is ideal spot. It is in the heart of Arema. It is very convenient for the commuters and everybody and it will create and generate a lot of economical activities.
The one in Grande where it is presently we just need some and maybe acquire a little property that is next door in terms of the cooperation where they use data park some derelict vehicle. And the proposal for Sandy Grand Me is to bring Maxi and taxi in one space, you know, so that it will be easy for the police and them to be able to mand. It will enhance safety and security. It will launch beach education. And also the Maxi taxi fraternity is proposing that we manage it. We will be able to bring in advertise, excuse me advertising and also the Maxi taxi operators who willing to pay users fitted for the upkeep of the compound. What I know and I could just say this. To the best of my knowledge, there is some work that is proposed to be done in collaboration with PTSD because the land belongs to PTSD. Again, we're hoping that it comes to fruition. But time is going as your people and say why is the grass growing? Because it's starving. And sometimes there's a lot of talk and talk and talk and what we need to see in some instances.
And that is why we miss the chemical problem. Okay, that's one side of it. But the same present government here who was in opposition and the opposition who right now was in government them raise the salary. They raised the salary enormously.
What about the other people?
And there are certain programs that was said have been country have no issue in terms of getting the revenue authority stream sorted out properly. And also the property tax in. In. In a proper way and a proper manner. Nobody I know everybody scrap those things at the end of the day and then they put themselves in the situation that is not the citizens, you know, for you know, actually the citizens the boss telling them that they should not have done certain things. But then as the employer employee went ahead and do what they did, the citizens have to stand up right now at the end of it and say hey, who is our employer? You know all you have to listen to us and do what we telling all this in our best interest, but where decisions are never.
[00:33:47] Speaker B: All right, Brenton, I I thank you for sharing the the monies collected in City Gate by maxi operators. What is that basically for
[00:33:59] Speaker A: right now we even call it that and that is going tremendously and we have spent back a lot of that on the copper. I could tell you in a super thing and you will find that they're slow so that trivial. But we are inside there almost close to 30 years and for 30 years we have not had access to a toilet facility 24 hours.
[00:34:17] Speaker B: Wow.
[00:34:17] Speaker A: Taxi drivers and them came together and paying the $2 and we have made the accessible $24 smart card or cost us a couple thousand dollars. Well, so we have a card that you could swipe and go in the toilet any morning at 1 o', clock, 2 o'. Clock anyhow, as the case may be. We did that for ourselves. We put in extractor in the toilet, we put a microwave in the canteen, we air condition the canteen for ourselves. We interval with the building process. Are we going to put in our barrier system where the smart card will be collecting the Corollas again automatically? We doing that for we said we are asking the government for that. I can tell you thousands of dollars that we spent on the compound for ourselves, the maxi taxi men. And I'm doing that. We we not every day we Monday, Monday we chopping on asking the government what we asking them. Hey, administratively. Look at what we're telling you. And give us the autonomy and the authority administratively to make ourselves self sufficient. We'll do it. Have we done what we're doing here right now? A couple years ago we might have been in a position to buy a parcel of land in our REMAP and start our own webinar.
[00:35:27] Speaker B: All right, President Knight, I want to thank you. I have to end here as we out of time but I want to thank you very much for sharing the insights and highlighting the plight of the Ruto Maxi association. Especially that on the north south where you have to increase the the speed limit to accommodate maxi operators from 65 kilometers per hour maybe to 85 90, I don't know. But we will probably talk again in the not too distant future as we ask you guys to provide us with updates as to where you guys are at with this new administration. Thank you again, Brenton, and have yourself a great morning.
[00:36:03] Speaker A: Thank you for your time and I do appreciate it.
[00:36:05] Speaker B: Thank you.
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