Episode Transcript
[00:00:01] Speaker A: The best insight, instant feedback, accountability. The all new Talk Radio Freedom 106.5. Time for us to turn our attention. We're talking guns and stand your ground for so long this morning and it has been on the campaign trail during the lead up to the General Election 2025. And now with me in studio is an expert when it comes to firearm usage and the do's and don'ts on the use of firearms. He can also walk us through the process as to what is best practice and what is best advice for Trinidadians who are seeking to get an ful. We welcome to the to the station. Paul Daniel Nahus. Is it Nahus or Nahus?
[00:00:41] Speaker B: Nahoos.
[00:00:42] Speaker A: Nahoos.
[00:00:42] Speaker B: Thank you very much.
[00:00:43] Speaker A: Thank you. Thank you for waking up early and braving the traffic and being here in person.
[00:00:47] Speaker B: Thank you for having me here. Good to be here.
[00:00:48] Speaker A: If there's anything Covid taught us, Zoom can handle it.
[00:00:52] Speaker B: Yeah, but it's better to be in person.
[00:00:53] Speaker A: Always better. Now, understanding that you are a firearms dealer, you, your company, not a dealer, sorry, the company. The company deals with firearms. Deals with firearms. You, not you, your company deals with firearms or the company you're affiliated with. Let's quickly, I mean everybody talking about the stand your ground law. And it has to do with the promise that Mrs. Kamala Passanti says. Our prime minister said, load up the matic as we light them up, light them up. So everyone, law abiding citizens can now have good grounds. Once you qualify mentally and all of that, go through your challenges, can obtain a firearm user's license. Let's walk through the process.
People think it's just so you're gonna get a firearm boy, and everybody could get it.
Let's walk through that process very quickly.
[00:01:35] Speaker B: So first of all, the prime minister has been setting up a committee to deal with Sanya ground law and link it to the firearm law. Now, that can't change overnight. It's legislation. Legislation can't just change overnight. And I think they're doing the right thing in terms of they are measuring twice, cutting once, as I like to see.
But until then, the process will continue as is. It will continue to be directed by the commissioner of police and the process stands as it is. There've been no changes to the process in that regard. However, the process always undergoes small changes and in the last maybe few months or so, you know, they have been, I wouldn't say a bit of a shake up, but there have been a lot of changes in the process and it's really Administratively heavy. So what my company really does is, is that we take the guesswork out of it.
One of the most common things that happen is that there's some type of administrative error by the applicant. Now remember, they viewed 35,000 in backlog. Any administrative error, they're not going to deal with that right away. They're going to deal with whatever files are valid. So my company really deals with the taking the guesswork out of it for the initial application and people who have applied have their files stick. Also, in some cases it is necessary to take legal action. We provide that as well. And some people are denied unjustly. So and they can actually appeal to the Firearm Appeals Board. So there's a lot of intricacies in terms of application, but it's never just so thing.
Even if, even if and when legislation changes. The Prime Minister and national, sorry, the Homeland Security Minister have indicated that it's not a just so thing. They actually want to make it more stringent, just more timely. The manner the problem is really time, it's not the what you have to have. And they have been making, the police have been making efforts. So I don't say lockdown the process, but to make sure the investigation is done thoroughly and properly. There was a big shake up maybe a couple years ago when district investigators, all of the authority was taken away from district investigators and divisions to deal with firearm files. So as a matter of fact now where people have had officers from the station, from CID and had the senior soup sign off, the inspector sign off, it was a whole process within divisional station. They are no longer involved. Only firearm permit unity Commissioner are involved in this process right now.
[00:03:46] Speaker A: So that shortens the amount of hands.
[00:03:49] Speaker B: It does and it's excellent. It shortens the amount of hands the file has to go through issues of it sticking. And so the issue is that in my estimation that it's really that the department is severely understaffed.
[00:04:01] Speaker A: That's the main problem. So we severely understaffed. So I think they're going to look at eradicating that and addressing those problems. Now let's talk a little bit about the stigma that only businessmen could attain. Firearm users license.
[00:04:15] Speaker B: Probably the most or one or definitely one of the most common questions people ask when they come to me, do I have to have a business? No, not only a businessman. You don't have to be a businessman to obtain a firearm, whether it be for personal protection, for sport shooting, for hunting, for whatever. No, you don't have to be a businessman or businesswoman to have a Firearm for personal protection.
[00:04:37] Speaker A: So, in your respective opinion, what. What can qualify someone when you, when they come before you, you have been doing this for many years, you can tell off the bat, based on the interview you would have with that applicant, whether they would be denied or they will be granted access. What are some of these stipulations in place to. For one to be denied? All right, good Grant.
[00:04:58] Speaker B: And actually that's a good question because I've dealt with commissioners in the past that have been very flippant in their explanation, very reckless in explaining to people why they shouldn't have a firearm and denying them on those wrongs.
So keep in mind as well, I do appeals before the Appeal board. And what happens before the appeal board is that police need to give reason. And so, and I've seen some ridiculous reasons, so some reasons they would say you're denied is that you don't have a sufficient quantity of cash you transport. That is not a requirement for a firearm.
[00:05:30] Speaker A: You don't have cash.
[00:05:31] Speaker B: A suffic. You're not a sufficient risk because you don't transport cash.
[00:05:35] Speaker A: You're not in cit.
[00:05:36] Speaker B: You're not. You're not. Yeah, you're not at that risk. So those things. But those things have been thrown as just ridiculous because it's not any law. Right. They've tried as well. What are the reasons? As a matter of fact, they have tried telling people, no, you can get a firearm for pest control. They have a lot of farmers who need fire, who need shotguns for pest control. Pests are decimating their crops and their livestock. Right. So I know cases where police officers have come and said, well, you don't have pests on this land.
And they are not qualified to assess that. Actually, what you have to do is go to the Ministry of Agriculture and they will send someone to evaluate whether you are pest or not for the police.
So there's a lot of times I think some police overstep in that regard. However, there is a legal process, there is a legal appeal, there is a.
There's a way to go forward that.
[00:06:22] Speaker A: To write that, to rectify that. Right.
[00:06:24] Speaker B: So, but what they really do is this, the. And this is what I have to prep people for. They are. They have to assess for risk. Now, to me, being in Trinidad Tobago, the sixth highest in the world in crime and I think third or fourth highest in murders right now, or minimum fifth.
We. That's enough for us to apply for firearm, in my opinion. Right. It's dangerous enough. However, they just try to assess it is Some kind of reasonable risk. They'll look at your things like, all right, where do you work, what hours you have to move around now? And, and that, that is ridiculous to me now because statistically, crime happens more in day than night, statistically. So, I mean, they're going with some maybe something.
[00:06:59] Speaker A: The odds are now, I think it's 62% daylight.
[00:07:01] Speaker B: Yeah, yeah, yeah. It's been so. And it's been so for a while. That's, that's the reality of it. So they will try to do a risk assessment or so. And you know it. I don't think it's a massive threshold to cross it. It really isn't but a problem. This is why when people come to me for consultation, they sent to apply. I have to like a mock interview because it's very easy for them to say the wrong thing. And an investigator will just, will just mark down and do a report based on what you tell him, what you tell her.
They are not going to go out of it or harm you usually, but not overly out of it to help you either in that they have to report as a police officer what you tell them. So someone, I mean, I have had clients who they, they do take cash from the business they do. There are some threat people who have. I have had clients who have been robbed, attacked, all kind of things before. And when I do a mock interview, well, I just need for personal safety. So that's why you're telling the investigator. Yeah, just send me for personal safety. Come on, let's go into that. Because you need to. I have to make sure and bring out of the client the details that they're going to have to give to the police to make sure they assess fairly.
[00:08:03] Speaker A: Now when you talk about that now, it's one thing to say that, right? I know certain details. DJs, radio announcers, currently in possession of legal firearms.
[00:08:11] Speaker B: Yeah.
[00:08:12] Speaker A: What threat assessment to a radio dj? Not just the announcer, but the one who plays the music. I can call names, but I wouldn't. But I know they have their firearm users.
[00:08:23] Speaker B: I will say something as simple as this. There are a lot of DJs who have equipment, music equipment, expensive music equipment they have to transport. Right. And that is that those are assets that are at risk. Okay, so that is a very simple one in terms of some of them also to collect shows. When they collect cash at shows, I don't want to go heavy on the collect cash. But yeah, they have certain assets.
[00:08:43] Speaker A: So, you know, so basically when you're coming before you, you will go through that mock interview.
[00:08:47] Speaker B: Yeah, I need to go through.
[00:08:48] Speaker A: No, no, no. So with that mock interview, we are seeing the police coming up with some very abhor reasons why they should not give you a fire.
[00:08:57] Speaker B: In some cases.
[00:08:58] Speaker A: In some cases.
But what are realistically the right case scenario that you can not that happened to someone, but to identify. But to tell me if this is the interview and this person says this or this person is of this. This will definitely disqualify them. Let's talk about outside of mental health, what else is there?
[00:09:18] Speaker B: So outside of mental health, if you know you have to do and this a psyche evaluation. Yeah. This is a misconception. People think done right away. And that's why what I advise people, there are steps down the line. Certain things you go for and pay for in testing will be considered expired by time as another phase happens is administratively heavy. So I have to guide people on that.
[00:09:38] Speaker A: Right.
[00:09:38] Speaker B: So they don't. They come to me and they save time and money basically or later on in process. So you have to do a psych evaluation. You have to do eye exam. There's a medical. Do a marijuana cooking test. I don't think the marijuana test really counts for anything now because it's decriminalized. Right. But you'll do a cooking test as well.
[00:09:53] Speaker A: Make sure you don't have them kind of drugs.
[00:09:54] Speaker B: Right? Yeah. So the, you know, that will disqualify you.
I mean I say you piss hot on a cocaine test. Yes. It'll disqualify you. Right?
[00:10:01] Speaker A: Right.
[00:10:02] Speaker B: You can't pass the psych eval. They will ask for a letter from your spouse as well. And they'll interview people in the house that you live with. So if you live with somebody and there's a domestic issue going on, they will hold up on that or not recommend you based on that.
[00:10:14] Speaker A: What about your neighbors? Do they speak to your neighbors as well? If you have a violent nature.
[00:10:17] Speaker B: That is a very old investigation method and it is really an obstacle investigation method because look, if your neighbor is a drug dealer or if your neighbors.
[00:10:25] Speaker A: Abandoned it or your neighbor just don't.
[00:10:27] Speaker B: Like you or they just don't like you. Correct. Anything like that could happen. So.
[00:10:30] Speaker A: Okay, good. So we're clearing up some of these misconceptions now. What is the length of time so they come to you, you go through that mock exam. What happens next?
[00:10:38] Speaker B: You do the paperwork for them? Because I make sure the paperwork is done correctly.
[00:10:41] Speaker A: You have to make sure it's done correctly to save time.
[00:10:43] Speaker B: Yep.
[00:10:44] Speaker A: And, and, and, and money Also, also.
[00:10:46] Speaker B: Too, when I'm doing the paperwork, because we handle legal cases for people in my company, I'm very careful when I do the paperwork. So that what we do on the paperwork, if it reaches, if just any rare case, it reaches to court because, you know, you're fed up on waiting because after a couple years you can, you can sue the police for this right.
Constitutional right for a decision to be made in a timely manner. So persons who will judicial review and take the police to court, I make sure that from day one, your stuff is set up in case, just in case, just in.
[00:11:16] Speaker A: Eventually, I deal with appeals.
[00:11:18] Speaker B: So I deal with the last line of, hey, I've applied, I've gone through, I've been denied. I deal with worst case scenario. That's what I. All right. I always set up for that.
[00:11:26] Speaker A: All that is prepared.
[00:11:27] Speaker B: Yeah, I prepare all that. Also to. What I'll do as well is I give you all the information to set up a proper correspondence with the ttps. Now I say, yeah, come back at this time to get this information that I show you how to do it in a proper way to have a correspondence with them to be able to follow up on your file accurately and in a timely manner with them. Right.
[00:11:44] Speaker A: So what's the cost factor to this?
[00:11:45] Speaker B: It's 500 by me.
[00:11:46] Speaker A: 500 to do that process.
[00:11:48] Speaker B: Right.
[00:11:48] Speaker A: So after you send that information to the police and you follow the form and you send it, what happens next?
[00:11:52] Speaker B: Okay, so I do up. I'll give them all the information for a package. Right. And they have to drop it by the police. I don't do it through me. And I'm very clear about that with people because they have been the police. I give them, you know, some credit. In the firearm permit unit, they try to facilitate people and people have applied sending their file with this person with that person, that gets very, very complicated. Should something happen, for example, you'll have some people charging people to send any file a thousand dollars or $2,000 to send in your file. You sure your file went in? Because you have to sign it. Are you sure your file went in?
[00:12:25] Speaker A: That is the next.
[00:12:26] Speaker B: Are you sure the package was properly accepted and delivered? Yeah, I, I. Let me tell you what I deal with. A lot of people come by me for consultation, existing files to get that advice to help existing files. If you want to say, start back in the process. And I would say about maybe about, about 40% of the people come by me for that. When you check this, never had a file inside and they sent it through someone.
[00:12:47] Speaker A: H.
Good. Good information. Good information. You take it in yourself. You. You sign that that delivered diary so they know that it's in there.
[00:12:56] Speaker B: The information I give them is to set up a proper correspondence so that they have a paper trail and all that. I give all that information and advise people when you're sending it in through and there's a police partner through this company through that that to me causes complications. And I will put it this way as well.
In my estimation you didn't apply. Someone sent in your documents. If I, if I am on their end I'll say okay, you didn't apply yourself. Someone applied for you. So even tell me you applied.
True.
[00:13:21] Speaker A: Anybody could have followed that and bring it you didn't come personally.
So let's go forward now is it there was a misconception or there is a misconception that a person must have the know what type of I am. They won't get a serial number before they apply because I had to go on the ful.
[00:13:34] Speaker B: Because only form. Yeah. 24 serial number before you apply.
[00:13:37] Speaker A: So it's on the form before. But it is absolutely.
[00:13:39] Speaker B: No, no, no.
[00:13:40] Speaker A: It doesn't make sense because you don't have it.
[00:13:42] Speaker B: Correct.
[00:13:42] Speaker A: You can't.
[00:13:43] Speaker B: You know that's legally I will be. I'm very frank with these things that has led to people trying all kind of things claiming that you know they, they worry we have a gun. We have a gun bought for you already and all kind of nonsense. I hear with this process now it's. It's available on the form of. I want to just point out as well people always ask more training.
Training happens after you get the. You pass the first stage of all the tests and everything. When you get a perfect you get like a. If you're not seeing it equivalent of a learner's permit.
[00:14:10] Speaker A: Right.
[00:14:11] Speaker B: You get. You get that in the process. That's all party process. I explained. But you cannot do training without a signed document for the commissioner.
[00:14:17] Speaker A: So you can't touch a weapon until the commissioner signs off.
[00:14:20] Speaker B: No range card, no range authority, no nothing. They cannot give you that authority. Only the commissioner of police.
[00:14:27] Speaker A: Now when you apply.
[00:14:28] Speaker B: Yeah.
[00:14:29] Speaker A: Before even knowing whether you will be accepted granted or not. Do you get that permit or is only. No.
[00:14:35] Speaker B: No. So you're about. You're about 90% process complete by the time you get a permit. At that point it's that they want to approve a firearm license for you. The only thing that you have to know is to get the training.
[00:14:44] Speaker A: But without that Training without that. So that is 90% in. So during that period of time, you have no permit to go on no range and do nothing.
[00:14:50] Speaker B: No, no, no, illegal.
[00:14:51] Speaker A: So once you get that permit, you're guaranteed thereafter that you will get through.
[00:14:55] Speaker B: You're not guaranteed. What happens is that when you get that permit now, they still have to process the process for the license, in some cases reinvestigate to make sure you still have the same standing if a certain amount time has passed and that. But, but the thing is this, by the time you get that provisional license to train, and so it comes almost like a promissory note, because why did they give you that?
[00:15:14] Speaker A: Like they had no intention.
[00:15:15] Speaker B: The way I fill out the form for, for training is I trade off for training for the purpose of X, Y and Z. So when they approve it legally, now they kind of bind themselves into saying, well, we've approved it for this purpose. So it's supposed to be a matter of just procedure after some people get held up in the process. And don't worry, there's, there are legal remedies for that as well. All right, in terms of the gun.
[00:15:33] Speaker A: In terms of the weapon. Yeah.
[00:15:36] Speaker B: So what happens is, I mean, maybe it's different before my time, but what's been happening for the last since I know it, is that when you get a proof of firearm license, you on the form, you don't fill out serial number and all that, you get approved and you'll get your firearm booklet, which is your license, will be done up, signed by the commissioner. But you will also receive a letter from the firearm department.
The letter says what kind of weapon you could purchase, quantity, the caliber, the type, as in pistol line, millimeter, one, you know.
[00:16:06] Speaker A: Right.
[00:16:06] Speaker B: And then you what happens that it has to go to the station registry. So that book goes to the station with the letter. And then the second division officer in charge, the station or someone delegated by him will then take you for the weapon to go buy a dealer.
[00:16:20] Speaker A: Okay, so after you get the ful license, you get access, you get, yeah, the coding station. You come, you get your access. So you have, you have, you have your license.
[00:16:29] Speaker B: Yeah, but you have a letter. And you have a letter. You have a letter, but you don't.
[00:16:32] Speaker A: Have the ful permit as yet because the serial number of that weapon and how many rounds of ammunition.
[00:16:36] Speaker B: So the police will have it in their possession. They'll go with you to the dealer.
[00:16:39] Speaker A: You buy it.
[00:16:40] Speaker B: They will buy it. Yeah, you buy it. You buy it.
[00:16:41] Speaker A: You pay you 5,000, whatever it is get it. And then police takes charge of the firearm and the ammunition back to the station with you. When they get back to the police station, what happens next?
[00:16:51] Speaker B: Either the second division officer in charge or someone delegated. Usually it's usually a sergeant or inspector does it. Right. They will sit down and they will take the weapon. They will fill out the details of the weapon onto your booklet and then they will. You'll pay your $300 if it's a pistol, $300 a year. If it's a shotgun, 240 a year. You will pay that fee, which is your government feature. License the weapon, rip out that receipt from the receipt book, hand your receipt, hand your filled out book your firearm in your box, go home, enjoy.
[00:17:18] Speaker A: And that's basically it. Yeah. Now let's talk a little bit about that enjoy factor you're talking about.
[00:17:23] Speaker B: Let's go into that.
[00:17:24] Speaker A: Yeah. A driver's permit and an insurance for a vehicle must be on your. On your person when stopped by a legal officer and asking for it.
[00:17:33] Speaker B: Correct.
[00:17:33] Speaker A: So the insurance has to be left in the car, in your glove box, wherever that's supposed to be in the car. And your permit, your driver's license on your person.
Right. Some believe it. In the car.
[00:17:44] Speaker B: That's up to you. Yeah, they're good.
[00:17:45] Speaker A: You're good with that. That's supposed to be on you. All right. So when they stop you, you produce those documents. What if you. How does the ful works when it comes to the weapon and this book.
[00:17:57] Speaker B: Once you have your firearm on you, you must have that book on your person.
[00:18:03] Speaker A: Good. So let's. So let's.
[00:18:05] Speaker B: Yeah, that's clear. Yeah.
[00:18:06] Speaker A: Once the firearm is on. Is on you, but car to be on you.
[00:18:09] Speaker B: So let's just say in your. Within your property. So if in your yard with your gun and your. Your booklet is inside your house, no problem.
[00:18:16] Speaker A: But you have your weapon on your onion, your yard water and your planting on your property.
[00:18:20] Speaker B: And I want to be clear about this as well, people, do not leave your firearm license in your vehicle. Please, for the love of God, don't leave it in your vehicle. Because people break into people's vehicles and.
[00:18:32] Speaker A: They steal the whole vehicle.
[00:18:33] Speaker B: The whole vehicle. And, and also too, for example, if it's in your vehicle and you're in your yard with your vehicle and you're doing something in your yard and you have your weapon, all right, no problem. Because it's actually happened to people I know. Yeah. Police come, hey, you go in your.
[00:18:46] Speaker A: Vehicle property, but then your wife take the car and go on the road.
[00:18:50] Speaker B: To make groceries and some also. Yep. Or your child jumping.
[00:18:52] Speaker A: Child jumping. You can't go on with it.
[00:18:54] Speaker B: Now here's another aspect. You go to the mall.
The police have no obligation take you by to take you by your vehicle in a public space.
So if they find you that and let's say if you earn out. Hey, we're going to station. You're in a public space without your license on you.
[00:19:09] Speaker A: So glad we clean up those issues.
[00:19:11] Speaker B: Yeah, yeah. So.
[00:19:12] Speaker A: So let me ask you this. Is it.
Would it be prudent of persons to take a picture of their. Of their.
[00:19:17] Speaker B: Of their act now that that's not the license.
That's not.
[00:19:20] Speaker A: What about a photocopy of it in case you're misplaced.
[00:19:22] Speaker B: Photocopy is not the license.
[00:19:23] Speaker A: So if you happen by some mistake to lose your let's say this particular day walking me through it. Right. Your firearm is in your safe at home. Because I think you have to be able to securely correct secure this.
[00:19:36] Speaker B: Police check for that.
[00:19:36] Speaker A: Police coming and checking for that. So you buy a safe. So you reach home, you take out your gun, you rest it in your safe with your ammunition. Your lock is safe.
[00:19:43] Speaker B: Yeah.
[00:19:43] Speaker A: You leave the house and you went to the mall.
[00:19:46] Speaker B: Yeah.
[00:19:46] Speaker A: And for some reason you didn't carry the firearm. But you have the firearm booklet in your wallet wherever. And you lost this wallet.
[00:19:54] Speaker B: What you what?
[00:19:55] Speaker A: Somebody steal your purse and they're gone. You ain't get. So now you do not have a firearm user's license because it's gone. You lost it and you have this weapon in your home. What happens then?
[00:20:06] Speaker B: So the station would have it marked down that you are a legal firearm holder.
[00:20:11] Speaker A: But I in that station and what.
[00:20:12] Speaker B: So what my advice is go if that is the case out of now some people go take the weapon and go to lodge it. No, my. My advice on a but out of an abundance of caution is to go to the station, inform them so they'll make a note and send an officer with you to retrieve the fire to lodge the station until they could find your book or get a duplicate book.
Right.
[00:20:31] Speaker A: Now here's how I am thinking and correct me if I'm wrong.
[00:20:34] Speaker B: Sure, sure.
[00:20:35] Speaker A: Like your driver's permit or even your insurance certificate. What I advise people to do and what I have done, I have taken a picture of it on my phone of both and it's stored for easy reference and access. Now in the event I misplaced my permit and I absent ism in my mind didn't recognize it and police are not. But I can't find it. I can still show. Now, they don't have to accept it as law and people see this all the time. One officer said it is not law, but police officers are mandated, you know, to use due. You know, it is subjected to the discretion of the officer. But you can show a police officer a picture and say, officer, I have my permit. You know, I can't find it and I didn't realize I misplaced it. The officer can then check the system, see, well, this is an active permit. Whether it was disqualified because they can do that. Now pulling the documents based on what you give them and they sees your picture, pull it up, realize you disqualified or you this or they can see that assists them in how they assist you. Now with this instance of your firearm user's license, let's say you're reaching the station, you leave the firearm home and you're going to station and you tell the police. Now you do this since in south when you live in south, but you move and you live in Marava now.
[00:21:43] Speaker B: Yeah.
[00:21:44] Speaker A: You know how Trinidad is. There's no computerized, nothing, everything. Write down in a book.
[00:21:47] Speaker B: Yep, yep.
[00:21:47] Speaker A: With that picture now you can show the officer, I am the holder of one, however I lost my wallet. Please come and take this. Could it work that way?
[00:21:55] Speaker B: No, I agree with you. Now I tell people this. We know we're in an age of phones and technology, so anything important take a picture of. Take a picture. Yeah. And the thing is, I like to quote, it was, I believe it was McIntyre ex police that I was in a class for law enforcement leadership. Right. It was in Lockjack actually. And I remember him making a statement in the class and I He said that 50 of policing is discretion. Yeah. Some. Some officers may have the good discretion to. To do so. You show them the picture, you let them check the log to make sure you renew your license. Let them go with you fit because people tend to. All right, I can't find my license or my license destroyed and up any wash. That's a common thing. And if any wash destroyed, let me just say the auntie station. Okay, so what if a police officer stops you on the at station on a patrol and you can't produce that.
[00:22:39] Speaker A: You get that is it. And I'm glad you mentioned that because that one person stopped. Understand this or you walk in there with a loaded firearm and tell the police I come to hand over the gun and you have nothing to document that issue. Leave it in the safe at home. Go in the nearest station, inform them, let them come and take it up, take it to the station and lodge it.
[00:22:57] Speaker B: Yep.
[00:22:57] Speaker A: And then you. But how easy is it to retrieve it? That'll come back to you.
[00:23:00] Speaker B: No. So it, it depends. No. If it's a matter of your. No. Best case scenario, you find your book, you just mislead. You find it. The. If it's destroyed, they could come to me and could do up the forms and give you the advice on a new process for duplication. Because you could apply for duplicate book. If your book is so destroyed or lost, you can't get a duplicate just to. If you have to have a book. Right.
[00:23:19] Speaker A: But if you got to do a sign affidavit.
[00:23:22] Speaker B: Well, you might have to affidavit if it's a matter of a lost book, if it's a destroyed book, you know, part of the. The things you have to submit with it. We need you to have pick take pictures of the book for you of the destroyed book to show them it's already destroyed in a state where it can. You can't see certain details.
Right.
[00:23:38] Speaker A: So. So the process together a duplicate book is winded as well.
[00:23:41] Speaker B: Yeah, it's shorter. It is winded, but it is shorter. It's just that now they require a lot of document everything require extensive documentation.
[00:23:48] Speaker A: Nonsensical bureaucratic red tape, things that could have been done much easier and computerized information can pull up. Listen, Paul Daniel has a thing.
[00:23:56] Speaker B: Look, everything is Here we sit. Now, I'm very sure that the Guardian Media, very sure in this building they have a machine to print IDs, right? Yes. And how quick if you lose the ID? How quickly you could print it, you could get it. All right, that's to show you correct. That's, that's to show you how quickly technology.
[00:24:11] Speaker A: But the police still have this winded process. All right, we clear on those issues? And I don't know if you're open to taking calls, but of course, if you want to call us and ask a question.
[00:24:21] Speaker B: So one person is asking for your 718-406-9718-406971-84069.
[00:24:31] Speaker A: Please take note if you want to.
[00:24:32] Speaker B: Call Mr. WhatsApp is. He wants you to reach me.
[00:24:35] Speaker A: WhatsApp 718-4069. 718-4069. You can WhatsApp him and you get inside for sure. All right, let's take a quick call here before we continue with the do's and don'ts. Good morning.
[00:24:45] Speaker B: Good morning. Good morning, David. And to the gentleman there. Right.
I heard you speak about the appeal board.
[00:24:54] Speaker A: Is that what in place at this time?
[00:24:55] Speaker B: Yeah, of course it's placed and running. It's actually just been.
The third board member has just received his reappointment, I believe in March or so. Yeah, the board has been running. Okay, so it's a recently appointed board. No, no, no, no, no. The board has been. The board has.
It only shut down for about a month this year when they were waiting for instruments of reappointment for one person. But no, it's been running straight through.
[00:25:14] Speaker A: Okay, okay.
[00:25:15] Speaker B: And how long should you expect to get ful after provisional.
There's no expectation on it in terms of time because I can't tell you about how they are processing it in terms of the commissioner and the department right now. I can tell you this, that once you have that it's a matter of just procedure. So if I tell you a month, if I tell you six months, it'll be improper of me to see because it's based a lot on their recluse time. All right, okay, great. Because I am.
I know someone who has.
[00:25:42] Speaker A: Well, let's give room for another caller now if you don't mind.
[00:25:44] Speaker B: Okay, sure.
[00:25:44] Speaker A: All right, cool. Thanks. Hello, Good morning.
Hello.
Hi, good morning. Good morning.
[00:25:52] Speaker B: Very informative program. Thank you.
[00:25:54] Speaker A: But as I advocate and someone who.
[00:25:57] Speaker B: Is representing the people, the. The F book in itself is like.
[00:26:05] Speaker A: Walking around with a whole notebook.
And I want to ask the gentleman.
[00:26:10] Speaker B: If he could make representations for the card system.
[00:26:13] Speaker A: Why.
[00:26:14] Speaker B: Why we cannot have that card system fit in a wallet. So I was working in TTPS as a subject matter expert and I was in favor not of just even. I was against the even cards that came because I said they're not advanced enough. Chip card, it a chip card and a point of sale and said I was advocating that in the police when I was working there. Chip card, point of sale. When you go to renew this thing about physical receipts and all that. No, beep. Pay your money, beep. And done.
[00:26:37] Speaker A: And move on.
[00:26:38] Speaker B: And move on. Yeah.
[00:26:39] Speaker A: So this booklet is a. Is a thing that you have to have in your pocket and your bag and held.
[00:26:42] Speaker B: And as a gentleman, I mean if he's half year older, he will know if he knows people. It is held together by Scotch tape most of the time.
It's literally held together by Scotch tape because of the. The material on. It's a tough material.
[00:26:53] Speaker A: And then it had been going with you everywhere.
[00:26:55] Speaker B: But anytime an fuel holders know this pain, anytime Police have to check immigration custom depending if I travel the firearm in and out of Trinidad as well legally. And anytime you're pulling that booklet out to renew anything, you're free to say hey, be careful that. Yeah. Because of. Yeah.
[00:27:10] Speaker A: How fragile it is. Yeah, let's, let's talk a little bit about that very quickly. You traveling with your firearm is. I mean you're legal in this country, but you are leaving here to go to Florida, to go to Georgia, Grenada, Guyana. You need to. How, how fine advance. You have to make travel arrangements in order to enter that country.
[00:27:24] Speaker B: Depends on the country. I will say this in terms of in Trinidad you can actually get an import export within two weeks or so.
[00:27:30] Speaker A: If you're traveling and you can go with you.
[00:27:32] Speaker B: Yeah. But you need to have proof that you're taking part in some competitive event that's sanctioned sanction competitive event in the other country.
You will need to arrange with them on their end for the host to get permits for their country and you have to get permits for your country. So dong here it's a couple of weeks process, it's not long.
And I have to say thank you to Mr. Sutherland. And if I permit unit, he handles the imports, exports and I say in two weeks the competitor shooters here will get it.
[00:27:57] Speaker A: But you kind of stick up your gun and see you're going on vacation and you're going there with it.
[00:28:00] Speaker B: Well, if you want to end up in Reman, no problem.
[00:28:02] Speaker A: But the only way you can travel with your weapon is if you're taking part in some competition.
[00:28:07] Speaker B: Yeah.
[00:28:08] Speaker A: And you have the permits here and here. But you cannot for vacation purposes move with your weapon.
[00:28:14] Speaker B: With Tobago, yes, but.
[00:28:16] Speaker A: Yes, but outside of Tobago, let's say you're going to England or you're going to Antigua for two weeks.
[00:28:20] Speaker B: You go in a country that has allowances with and what that you can't just. Now you can't just go like that.
[00:28:26] Speaker A: And you can't just apply for a permit to travel. I'm a family going on vacation to Disney World. I would like to get a permit. It has to be a shooting competition.
[00:28:33] Speaker B: Yeah. And even in the States for use US because they are the, they are the probably easiest one to get the permit for to, to travel because of their culture.
However, when you do that with the US you have to show the ATF that you are, you are being invited to a competition and so you have to have yet his invitation.
[00:28:50] Speaker A: Other than that failure, the only thing.
[00:28:53] Speaker B: Different is that in some cases for hunting. No, I'm not sure I'd never traveled with a gun for hunting from Trinidad. So I don't know if they process of that they process for competitive shooters because it's a common thing throughout the entire world with competitive. She's just going back and forth, so it's very normal. Barbados has it all through the Caribbean. Jamaica.
[00:29:10] Speaker A: All right, you know, let's talk a little bit about. We're talking about stand your ground law. What happens when a person legally pulls out their firearm and shoots an intruder in the premises? What's the process there, if you know it, you know.
[00:29:21] Speaker B: Yeah, that is something that I brief people a lot. That is something I really brief people a lot on. And it's a very dangerous situation, I would say, in that once police arrive, you have to be very careful of what you see, because at that point in time, there's a burden on the person defending themselves. They kind of have to show that the person who broke into their house was still an active threat to them.
And that is where standia grand law needs to come in. Because somebody will break down your door, and then questions will be asked. And based on your utterances, the police get determined. The people determine, well, yeah, they broke through your window, but didn't consider them still an active threat to you based on something that was said or so. But, I mean, I think that is totally ridiculous. I mean, when they came in your house for. To make a cup of tea. Right, but that is the reality now, that there's a. There's a burden on the person who defends himself to show that he defended himself.
[00:30:15] Speaker A: So currently. Currently, somebody breaks into your house, Paul, God forbid, and you shoot that person.
Walk me through the process.
[00:30:24] Speaker B: Police. Police will come.
[00:30:25] Speaker A: They come now.
[00:30:26] Speaker B: It depends on how they choose to deal with it.
[00:30:28] Speaker A: So, again, it's at their discretion. So this is their law.
[00:30:30] Speaker B: There we go. Walk me through it. So it's a scenario. Someone breaks in Godfather. Someone breaks into your house, you shoot them. You got a call for police one time, police will arrive on his scene. There's a body there, so they'll have to call. It's a whole thing in CORA now, everything is a. It's a whole scene. They may start asking you questions, or they probably will start asking questions. I tell people the only thing you are to see at that point. People talk about, I, you know, I was attacked and I discharged my firearm in the direction of the attacker. All that nonsense. Don't. No, no, no, please. And I look at what instructors message me today to get Vex. I said, I say, don't say that. Because they like to read off that script. No.
All the police have to know. This is my house.
You are attacked.
[00:31:12] Speaker A: This man.
[00:31:13] Speaker B: I'm the victim here.
I'm the victim here. I am the victim here. Anything other than that, speak with my attorney and talk.
[00:31:20] Speaker A: Done.
[00:31:20] Speaker B: Talk done. And you want to go to the station. Okay. Am I under arrest?
[00:31:23] Speaker A: No, you're not, but we. Your subject can be investigating the matter. We want to question you.
[00:31:27] Speaker B: Okay. What? Well, here. What am I right? I see in my mouth. I stay in my house.
[00:31:31] Speaker A: So the police cannot take you away from your home unless you're under arrest.
[00:31:34] Speaker B: Okay.
[00:31:34] Speaker A: And if you're not, you're kidnapped.
[00:31:36] Speaker B: Oh, you're kidnapping me.
[00:31:38] Speaker A: Where are you taking me for?
[00:31:39] Speaker B: Correct. So if they take you under legal authority, it is because they are placing you. You. They say they could say detain and arrest. Detain, arrest. The same thing to me in that scenario. Because it is.
Come on, don't talk.
[00:31:52] Speaker A: You're suspending my rights to free movement.
[00:31:54] Speaker B: That's exactly what it is. Yeah, and wait for your trinity to come.
[00:31:58] Speaker A: So do they take your weapon?
[00:32:00] Speaker B: Not in all cases. In some cases.
[00:32:03] Speaker A: Give an example of a case where they will take your weapon.
[00:32:05] Speaker B: It's up to police discretion. Again, this is. This is what is ridiculous with it. Because one policy I had given in police and wasn't adopted was this.
When they come to the scene of a shooting, if I shot the person, and I am admitting to you I shot the person and my ballistics are on record in Forensic Science center, why do you have to take my weapon to test it for ballistics?
Because they take it to test. But I am admitting to you I.
[00:32:31] Speaker A: Shot the person with this firearm.
[00:32:33] Speaker B: With this firearm. The ballistic records show that that is the truth. Why must you take my weapon? To test it again for ballistics.
[00:32:38] Speaker A: So sometimes police, at their discretion, could leave you with the firearm or they can take it safely from you.
[00:32:42] Speaker B: Correct. And then there are people now they. Sometimes they take it. And then people end up in a legal battle with police to get back.
[00:32:47] Speaker A: The firearm because they don't readily.
[00:32:49] Speaker B: Now, this is the importance as well, of. Of taking the firearm versus the license as well. They're not supposed to take the license from you. They could take a picture and take the license. They're not supposed to take that license from you. The license issued by the commissioner. Unless you have broken some law, they're not supposed to take it from you. Now, if they see the gun, which is the right for ballistics or for investigation, this is where having a second firearm is a good thing.
[00:33:12] Speaker A: Because. Okay, I was not going to ask you that, because when you people were saying that some one person might have two firearms.
[00:33:19] Speaker B: Yeah. Nothing is wrong.
[00:33:20] Speaker A: So if you are. Because when they take your firearm, you are left without a firearm and you are left open.
[00:33:25] Speaker B: And the criminals don't. Any criminals are very well aware of that. They have marked people for that radio. Right. You shot a fella from the gang or whatever that was there. No problem. We know the police take your gun.
[00:33:36] Speaker A: So you do have a legal gun.
[00:33:37] Speaker B: Right now and you're totally exposed after the police commissioner approved you to have.
[00:33:42] Speaker A: A fire, they take it from you.
[00:33:43] Speaker B: They take it from you and leave you without. Without anything. Out for protection.
[00:33:46] Speaker A: And you were protecting your premises on your property when that happened?
[00:33:49] Speaker B: Yes. And if you broke the law and they charge, you're fine. Okay. They could folk your license, take your license, no problem.
[00:33:53] Speaker A: If they could prove. Now, charging you is not proof that you did it.
[00:33:56] Speaker B: And that's not even proof. And I like to go into that as well. That is not even at that point, proof. This is why Istania ground law is important, because you need to start legislating for these things. Because the discretion of the police officers, that is inhumane.
[00:34:09] Speaker A: That is madness. Say again.
It is. It is. And good morning to Tusca. This is Tusca Martinez, she's coming up next. And that is why I'm happy that we had this conversation this morning. Let's get quickly.
I don't want to encroach too much on her time in terms of do's and don'ts with a firearm.
[00:34:26] Speaker B: First thing, as firearm holders, you need to understand what is responsible, not just what is legislated. There are things that I don't want to say is common sense, but are common sense. But, you know, when you have your firearm, do not, please, it's against the law. Do not be intoxicated heavily with your firearm. Do not go into certain places that you know, may tend to. How to put it. You may get into an issue. For example, if you're going online, even if you don't drink.
[00:34:50] Speaker A: Right.
[00:34:51] Speaker B: Some people's lifestyles have to change when they have a firearm. Now, in terms of where they go, how they move, or so now I'm not a Lima, so it don't bother me. Right, right. But you know, there are places that you will go that. Places where heavy crowds or so where somebody could, if they know you have a firearm, could really stifle you with groups and these kind of things. You have to be careful where you move.
Have some discretion with how you carry a firearm as well. There are actually no laws that say you have to conceal the carry a.
[00:35:16] Speaker A: Firearm, you know, oh, you can put it on a gun holder and rest it on your belt by the law.
[00:35:20] Speaker B: You know, but the law doesn't have any.
[00:35:22] Speaker A: But you have to conceal this weapon.
[00:35:24] Speaker B: Actually. No, yeah, it's not a concealed carry type of thing. So now people don't do that obviously. And there are police officers who have seen weapons bulging or so and there has no fault sometimes of the holder, some in, in some cases and you know, the police will tell them that, look, that's illegal, you're brandishing and they. There's no crime being committed, there's no law for brandishing. A friend of mine was, he just moved, wants to pick up something from a shelf and he got caught on his shirt. And the police on this long time about brandishing the firearm and there's no law. Where's the law fit?
[00:35:56] Speaker A: There's nothing. No.
[00:35:57] Speaker B: And as, as firearm holders, what I try to tell them, look, be a brother's keeper a little bit if you know, if someone seems to appear to have a legal fire, I mean you can't really tell, right. But if you could see, you could tell legal firearm holders usually from how they carry their weapon.
[00:36:09] Speaker A: True.
[00:36:09] Speaker B: Proper whole something. But sometimes something's happening is nothing to pass and say tap hey bro, on your right tip. Watch yourself, you know, just look out for your fi. Arm holders. In that case. It is nothing to do that because, you know, I mean, just try to be as responsible as possible. And I would like to advocate for people, do periodic training, do training periodically. Go and get. And I'm gonna say training, go by an instructor, get some proper training. Not just for the safety but for the proficiency as well. And I'm not saying you have to go and become John Wick or do I set a tactical class and this kind of thing, but do some basic fun. I'm a big person, I am big in on fundamentals. Go and do some fundamentals a few times a year. You want to take a couple other classes, you know, but get the proper training because the. I like to say this all the time. A gun is a sword, not a shield.
The only way to protect yourself with a gun is to use as a sword to cut down somebody. It's not, it's not a magic wand, it's not going to protect you. You're not going to just hold it out and then you're Safe. You have to be able and be prepared to use it. And I would like to tell people if you have firearm holders, there are a lot of firearm holes who have been in shooting incidents.
Please go to get some mental help for you and some counseling for you and your family who go through these kind of incidents. Because men in Trinidad, we like to beat our chest. We like to play big man thing all the time. No, go and speak to someone if your family is around in a shooting incident or so, make sure and get them some counseling or so to bring them through it mentally because those kind of things are very traumatic.
[00:37:41] Speaker A: Wow.
And finally in an altercation and a man on the highway quarreling because of a little bad driver he kept and you come out and you hold you holding your gun in your hand and saying sir, is that illegal?
[00:37:57] Speaker B: Matt man first of all, man, by driving we are not. People have different temperaments. And I like to say that a firearm could hype up some people or it could calm some people. I've seen some very aggressive people get very calm when they get a firearm to it. I've seen both sides of it. I've seen them get more aggressive. I've seen people calm. No, the instrument you have can take a life. It's a big responsibility. It can actually take. It could take your liberty as well if you're not careful. So first of all, always walk away. That is the last resort. As a matter of fact, DPP looks at that way. That has to be a last resort. It is in terms of your come out and a man cost no quarrel or whatever. All right. If there are bounce on the highway, go in your car and drive the police station. Because by the time you pull out that firearm, it needs to be because you apprehended some kind of harm coming to you or some some kind of danger coming to the firearm as well. Because somebody can attack you unarmed and if you feel they attacking you unarmed and you are risking them taking the firearm, now you can use the firearm to defend yourself. Right? Right. We see it all the time. People's police officers. Yeah, they went and try and grab the gun. Or is our fight for a gun at that point it becomes legal to, or I should say it is within your right to defend yourself and defend your weapon. And if you have the weapon to defend yourself with. Now I tell people do not just draw the firearm to threaten anyone. You draw the firearm to shoot, not to threaten.
[00:39:13] Speaker A: So once you take it out, its Holzer or whatever safe keeping you have it.
[00:39:16] Speaker B: I would see make sure. You are apprehending that there's some kind of violence coming towards distance and you custom rant and getting on and I'm gonna pull up my fire now. If you start to rush towards me now, I might pull it out. And you'll pull it out. Might deter you at that point. But I want to make sure you're rushing me before because you see, I mean, you could close distance very fast. Yes, that is an argument and it's a valid argument. However, you have to be very careful because you could. You could be cussing here. I could pull out my firearm. And now it turns to a case where, okay, you walk away and you go, say I pull up my firearm, I'm threatening you. You at a certain distance, I pull up my firearm for you.
[00:39:50] Speaker A: Noted. So it's very, very, very meticulous. Well, I want to thank you very much, Paul, for passing through this morning and sharing some insight. I know we're touching on Tuska's time. It's a little after a few seconds, but if Tusca will permit me, I just want to get to these points very, very clear with you. If you shoot someone that is running away. There was a big talk this morning on the morning rumble about this man come in my house and I created this scenario for he rapes my wife, he raped my daughter, he sodomized my child and forced me tied up to watch this. He's unaware that I have a legal fire, but he thief money thief some jewelry. And when he and the partner leaving the premises, now they're still going through my house. They reach out in the yard, head into the gate. I managed to free myself, take my gun, run downstairs and back to behind them.
And by the time they hear the first one bow the duck and pick up on your back, fall down then.
[00:40:40] Speaker B: This is why Stanya Grungo is important. Because now you are the discretion of of the police. One and two is a lot you're gonna have. Your lawyer is going to look into a lot of key slaw. There's going to have to be a lot of legal discussion. Stan, your ground law could take care of all of that potentially.
[00:40:57] Speaker A: And I'm glad you mentioned that because people were talking about the case with Trayvon and Zimmerman and that's a nonsensical talk that has to do with race in the US that's media hyper as well. And that's it that do it with stand your ground. Because when I look at the laws between Texas and Florida, the wording is different. You know, it's it has slight similarities, but there's difference in the law between that governs between Texas and that of Florida on the stand your ground premises.
[00:41:21] Speaker B: Yeah. Also too you see things like these in monkeys and these things. There is a lot if you read. If you look at the actual case, there's a lot. The media really blows things out of proportion. Remember in the US A lot of times when you have these big media campaigns, you're dealing with Republicans and Democrats, you're dealing with conservatives and liberals and both of them are trying to heavily push the agenda. So if their station leads towards one side, that becomes the narrative to frame for passing certain laws and doing certain things politically. So they basically politicize these things and they blow it up depending on how it could have fallen the other side of it, where Zimmerman could be seen as a hero if the conservative news. And as a matter of fact it did. They pushed it. Whichever news station and news agenda gets.
[00:42:05] Speaker A: The first popular lineup. Yeah, that's how it goes. So in Trinidad we. You are saying that having a backup firearm is not necessarily a bad thing.
[00:42:12] Speaker B: No, it's not. And then there's people. They're also financial purposes. One is better for home defense, one is better to easier to carry. But it's not the best thing to defend your home. Especially these guys coming in with rifles and all kind of madness now remember that.
[00:42:24] Speaker A: Very good point.
[00:42:25] Speaker B: Yeah.
[00:42:26] Speaker A: Some weapons are easily concealed on your.
[00:42:28] Speaker B: Person and if a mass of a rifle you're in a bit, you know, massive disadvantage already. Far less having something with 10 rounds or eight rounds and a micro compact in your house. You know, you need something different for your house in terms of. To be. To better defend yourself. And then we don't even get into sports shooting because you have competitor shooters like myself which need competition guns also you.
[00:42:50] Speaker A: Okay, so it's nothing wrong because.
[00:42:54] Speaker B: Yeah. And then. Yep. I hunt as well my shotgun in the station because I keep it out at home. But in terms, in terms of the safety of somebody breaking and stealing that kind of thing. But I mean look at that way. You have hunters, you have people defending their different purposes and.
[00:43:07] Speaker A: And your advice when stopping in a roadblock.
I've heard talks in the ground and I just want to clear up these issues. I know we in the human impact but I think it's very prudent for us to get this out.
Should you disclose to the officer that you are carrying?
[00:43:21] Speaker B: Only if asked.
Only if asked.
If you're not asked. License, follow instructions. License, insurance, License, insurance. If they ask you to Come out of the car. If they ask you if you're a firearm holder, fine. Only disclose when asked if they ask.
[00:43:37] Speaker A: You to come out the vehicle. But, sir.
[00:43:38] Speaker B: Okay, no, come on.
[00:43:39] Speaker A: Did you have anything to drink tonight? And we had a. One beer and you say, well, I had one beer and I said, okay, we need to do a breathalyzer. Please step out of the vehicle. Do you need to disclose I'm carrying.
[00:43:47] Speaker B: Once you step out the vehicle, you should disclose your carry. Because when they do, nothing may perform a search on you. If they're going to perform a search, inform them. And inform them in this way. Not have a gun.
I'm a license holder because people said, yeah, well, I have a gun. And then on top of that too, you don't know. Remember something. You have an officer next to him, don't know what part of the conversation he hears. And you have to keep in mind the police officers have families to go.
[00:44:11] Speaker A: To, you know, so them here have a gun.
[00:44:13] Speaker B: And then you have. And then you have five fellas in tactical with. With guns on any vehicle. I have a license fire. But once you disclose you have a license fire. I tell people, make sure your hands are overtly visible.
[00:44:26] Speaker A: Okay, good advice.
[00:44:27] Speaker B: Overly visible. Once you see I have a gun, I have a fire. I have a license firearm. Make sure your hands are staring. We'll make sure it's on you. Make sure they can see your hands. And if they ask for your license, be very clear verbally. May I reach into my. It's in my left pocket. May I reach into my left pocket? We fire for the firearm license. Yeah, sure. You can reach your door. They'll probably tell you, don't touch your phone. Yeah, no problem. But the license in my pocket. So I tell you and explain. I can't tell you because my hand going out your vision.
So be very verbally assertive in terms of that. And when you come, don't dig up though, take out your wallet, put it on the dash and pull it out on the dash.
[00:45:00] Speaker A: You see, this is, this is why.
[00:45:02] Speaker B: This is why training is so important. Because that is a whole way of living method. Correct. It's a lifestyle. It's a lifestyle. Yeah, it becomes a lifestyle.
[00:45:13] Speaker A: To know it's not this fancy thing.
[00:45:14] Speaker B: That you see on television, like, okay, I am going to have a license firearm. And I'm, you know, it's. It's a whole.
[00:45:21] Speaker A: As I said, it's a mindset.
[00:45:23] Speaker B: You see, we come from a colonial society. We are post colonial.
The colonial thing. Guns were a Matter of status. It was a status symbol. Right. Not as more common. You see if you're. If you're living a lifestyle conducive to it.
Some persons who live in the States as well who spend a lot of time in the States who know it and it becomes a very common thing. It's not a big deal.
[00:45:43] Speaker A: Somebody is asking for how long can they keep your gun? That's if they hold it in these.
[00:45:47] Speaker B: Police station for as long as they want until you basically get a. If they call it for a lengthy period of time. Well people could contact me for the legal work fit into my company if they would like because it's something only for two years. Them could just sometimes I've seen it held for two years, weeks I've seen tell perpetually.
[00:46:05] Speaker A: Wow.
[00:46:06] Speaker B: Yeah.
[00:46:07] Speaker A: So you still. And you pay your money and you.
[00:46:09] Speaker B: Without protection and this is why after.
[00:46:11] Speaker A: A home invasion or something all these.
[00:46:13] Speaker B: Things need to be legislated properly to have def. Definitive legal timelines for these things.
[00:46:18] Speaker A: Final question for you.
I know I had to go quickly summarize it real quick. I had to go, I had to go. What can make police take away your. Your legal firearm outside of a shooting incident? What can persons do that legislatively? Police can say your firearm has been revoked and seized.
[00:46:34] Speaker B: Domestic violence issues, certain offenses that are still. You're still just charged, not convicted though. But any domestic violence issues they will come for your firearm for that for sure. And other than that. Yeah, really just if they, if they believe you have breached law in some kind of violent way or you have some kind of domestic violence issues, those kind of things, they will, they will take it. Or if you have not paid your fees on time for the year, you have not renewed your firearm, it is not licensed. They can come and take it in.
[00:47:03] Speaker A: The snap and that is subjected to the date you purchase your firearm.
[00:47:06] Speaker B: That is.
[00:47:06] Speaker A: Or is it a calendar year? Every year, every 12 months from your.
[00:47:10] Speaker B: Date January 1st until March 31st you have that time to renew your firearm every year. It's like property tax. You have to pay it.
[00:47:17] Speaker A: You had to pay it. Well, it's seven minutes after the hour of. Thank you very much Paul for passing through this morning. I'm grateful grateful for the information that you have given us. All right, so the human impact is coming up next. We thank you guys so much for the morning rumble. I'll catch you guys tomorrow once all is well and God spear life. Take care.
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