MORNING RUMBLE ORIN GORDON

[00:00:01] Speaker A: The best insight, instant feedback, accountability. The all new Talk Radio Freedom 106.5. [00:00:08] Speaker B: My name is Davey Murray and I'm in the hot seat with you guys until nine. And of course I'm being joined this morning by someone that is no stranger to the world of media. Let's take time to welcome and say good morning to my co host this morning, Mr. Owen Gordon. Good morning to you sir. [00:00:22] Speaker C: Good morning Davey. Good morning to all our listeners. [00:00:24] Speaker B: All right. When you hear powerful presence like good morning, you know you just jump a little bit now. But it is jilt you. We're in the middle of May already, boy partner. The year is quickly departing us then. [00:00:47] Speaker C: Weren'T we saying to our loved ones and friends and happy New Year. Happy New Year. [00:00:53] Speaker B: Your thoughts are aligned with mine. Why is always think about it boy, you know. And I still want to tell our listeners out there this morning that the promenade still stink. I say it every morning for the last how much months I've been on the show. The promenade is still a very stink. And I using the word stink because I want to let you understand the scent. The infrastructure is in a mess. I don't. I come down to work this morning and yesterday morning and I see them, I see corporation washing down. But what you're washing, we are really washing. You're wasting people water that people want water in Pinal and Marabella and all these places. You come to the outpercea water they're using from the fire hydrant, use the seawater and wash. The only problem, don't use the people and I'm good water where they put in thing to purify the water and make the water for us to drink. Don't do that because you're making sense. [00:01:45] Speaker C: And like you're not making a difference according to what? [00:01:47] Speaker B: No, it's not. You still have the infrastructure going. So you have all these tables, these chairs broken, fall down, removed the wooden benches. You have people looking like they're hanging cloth all over the place. I see a man hang up a line and tie up your clothes. He wash his clothes and he hang it out to dry. So people living in the like a shanty tongue. And this is where we crowned this piece of real estate against the backdrop of the prince of Port of Spain, Brian Charles Lara. You could imagine. And I say it all the time, Owen, some cricket fanatic across the globe and the next part of the country. [00:02:23] Speaker C: Of the world, Australia says I want to see the Brian Lara promise. [00:02:27] Speaker B: I want to see the Brian Lara. [00:02:28] Speaker C: I want to see this place that. [00:02:29] Speaker B: Is named after this renowned cricketer, this Guinness World Hold. And then you walk in Port of Spain, the smell, if you come early in the morning, go and kill your nostrils and then your eyesights burn as the sun come up. You're like, whoa, this is how Trinidad and Tobago is it. They see promenade, they see Brian Lara promenade. [00:02:49] Speaker C: I had a conversation with somebody the other day about the tourism prospects of the capital and downtown Port of Spain. Old Port of Spain is a historic place, but it's a no go area at certain times of the day. And that is something I think, looking down the road, that we have to fix. Not just the promenade, but the whole area make it a bit more attractive for people to want to come to and visit and see. [00:03:22] Speaker B: Indeed so. Well, with that being said, this morning, what we do here on the morning rumble, Owen, we get straight into our guardian of the people this morning. It is Wednesday, May 14th. I like where your mindset is going right up my alley there in terms of tourism and, and infrastructure for tourism. And I just want to digress briefly. A couple weeks back, just before the general election, the previous administration would have spent somewhere in the vicinity of $15 million to restore Lupino, if you're familiar with. You ever been to Lupino? [00:03:54] Speaker C: Yes, I have. It's a beautiful part of the country. [00:03:56] Speaker B: Lovely, lovely historical part of the country. The history behind it is rich. And there were contractors that say that the house where Count de l' Opino was in, I mean, it has been built over 100 years somewhere. Constructed in 1802 and then it was commissioned in 1806 somewhere thereabouts. [00:04:14] Speaker C: Right. [00:04:15] Speaker B: And the road to get to this. [00:04:19] Speaker C: Historical site, they built a road for farmers there, if I'm not mistaken, in Lopino, which Lopinot, to give farmers access. I'm not sure which one, but that's the earlier part. [00:04:29] Speaker B: But they paved it. That's lower down. But getting into this historical site where residents dwell, it's a community, right, Enriched with historical flavor. Students often go there when they have these, what they call these outings, schools, primary schools and so forth. But the ministers and they were traversing there. Contractors were going in and out while they were building in three phases. And nobody sought to take care of the road. But we want tourists to come there. We want somebody with a nice maxi and the shocks and all the nice suspension parts to pick up tourists from these ships when they dock, these cruise ships, these cruise liners, or even when they come through the doors of Piaco and say, listen we take you to Maracas Bay, we take you to the Maracas waterfall, we take you down to the pitch Lake. How about the Kongdilupi? And you tell them the whole story and they say, wow, let's. And then we going through this place right in Aruka, it looks as if it's somewhere down in the back of Manzan, but right in Aruka, right in that area there much could be done just to get infrastructure in place to take tourists to this historic. [00:05:32] Speaker C: So much more could be done. I always say to friends that Trinidad, let's separate Tobago from the equation for a moment. Trinidad has a lot of lovely tourism offerings. The turtle watching, the nature reserve to watch the birds. But the infrastructure and the offering and the access around it needs so much improvement. So much improvement. So much needs to be done. [00:05:56] Speaker B: And as I mentioned a few moments ago to those of you just joining, you're hearing a strange voice, a different voice on this show this morning. Owen, let's get a little history into your background as to your world, into your world of media. [00:06:09] Speaker C: Well, some of your listeners would recognize me as the, as one of the Sunday columnists in the Guardian newspaper. [00:06:16] Speaker B: Indeed. [00:06:17] Speaker C: I've also started a new column. It can sound like self plugging, but you asked me, I wanted to ask. [00:06:23] Speaker B: You what you're talking about, so I. [00:06:25] Speaker C: Have to answer, right? I also started a fitness column on Tuesdays. It's called Fitness Weekly because it's something. Especially after we were inactive for Covid and all our health indices deteriorated. People are paying more attention to recreational activities, to what they eat and so on and so forth. So I have a presence in the Guardian newspaper. I write a couple of columns, but I started life in Guyana. I don't know if you can hear my Guyanese accent, please. If you mention chicken curry again, leave the studio. Let me, let me tell you one time, if you start to talk about that, I can leave the studio, right? But you can talk about all. [00:07:02] Speaker B: I take off the lights. [00:07:05] Speaker C: You know, I take so much licks from that. And you know who gave me licks for that? Gary Griffith. And then Gary turned around and says banter. Why it is. It is why you toning feelings, right? But it didn't feel like banter at the time because when people saw me defending the, the floodlights. If I could just go ahead, stick on this briefly. I say it was an accident. Floodlight failures happened all over the world. It's happened at large stadiums in India, it's happened at stadiums in the United States. So I was defending my People and Gary put licks on me, right? And then he turned around and says banter, which is all fine. I have a great relationship with him. He knows that as a professional journalist I can push him and ask him difficult questions. [00:07:50] Speaker B: Indeed. [00:07:50] Speaker C: So but outside of that, as Caribbean people, we have a good relationship. We have good Pekong. We have a great relationship with one another. So I started life as a journalist in Guyana with the Guyana Broadcasting Corporation radio. I went to London and I worked with the BBC for 22 years. And then I was offered the opportunity to come and live and work in beautiful Trinidad and Tobago in 2015. And instead I celebrated my 10 year anniversary in the country in February. I arrived in the teeth and at the height of Carnival in 2015 to take charge of the Guardian newspaper. And I've stayed in Trinidad and Tobago as a media trainer and consultant working with companies that want to improve their media offering and media presence. So if you run a little company, you can hire me if you wish. I'm not cheap. [00:08:52] Speaker B: Well, I was not going to get to that. The renumeration. [00:08:54] Speaker C: No, no, no, I'm just kidding about that. But that's just a little bit of banter from me. But that is good, that is what I do. [00:09:00] Speaker B: Yeah, it's good to have you. It's good to have you. I mean this morning show, Lord knows we need great ones like yourself to come and add, you know, great credibility and sustainability towards any, any morning program, afternoon program, any program that you sit on. I think you'll do well with us, man. [00:09:16] Speaker D: Country. [00:09:16] Speaker C: I think I need to say that I came to Trinidad and tobago from London 10 years ago. I couldn't see down the road. I'm not a seafar man, but I didn't anticipate staying here for a decade and here I am. Trinidad and Tobago has its problems. It has its problems with crime, the traffic and various things. But let me tell you something, Davey. It is in my estimation one of the best places to live and work in the Caribbean. One of the best small island developing states to live in and work in. We just had an election. There were no major incidents. [00:09:52] Speaker B: None. [00:09:54] Speaker C: The governing party conceded before 10:30 and all of we could go to bed early if we wish to on election night. [00:10:00] Speaker B: I love how you think, you know. [00:10:02] Speaker C: No, listen, I have covered elections in so many countries that had so many electoral problems. My own country. The government refused to concede and the change of government in 2020 took five months. Would you believe that they lost the no confidence motion in 2018 and the elections were held about 400 days later in 2020, Trinidad and Tobago, I think we like to. I'm saying we, and I consider myself an honorary welcome home. But will you accept it? [00:10:32] Speaker B: You're part of the brotherhood, all right. Because you start eating curry chicken now. So you're part of the Brotherhood. You're part of the Brotherhood. [00:10:39] Speaker C: We talk so many times and so often about the problems we have, we sometimes have to celebrate the successes we have. And that is one of the successes. Take win. You had a successful election and a successful change of government. Whether it is the government, and I'm speaking to an individual person now, whether it's the government you wanted. You had a peaceful and successful change of government transition. You had a peaceful and successful transition. A largely incident free election and no trouble or strife that I can recall. I don't know if you know of any, but no major trouble and strife on election. [00:11:15] Speaker B: Nothing outside of the political pekong and banter among citizens and citizenry. I mean, there was an image, as you rightfully mentioned, Owen, I think it was in the Tinapuna area where one party, party road motorcade was heading in a western direction, the next one heading east. And they both passed each other in slow motion because of the, you know, people, the traffic car r is a waving of flags and. And who. Who shaking Wuhan and yeah, and everybody pass each other peacefully. [00:11:44] Speaker C: Right. [00:11:45] Speaker B: But that shouldn't be surprising. We are a country on the planet where even religious organizations, you have people celebrating. You have the Muslims celebrating Christmas, the Christians celebrating Eid. Every. [00:11:57] Speaker C: Because everybody, everybody, every holiday belongs to everyone. [00:12:01] Speaker B: So that's it. It belongs to everybody. Everybody has a measure of respect. Yeah, because only Christian here is Christian. You ask some Diwali come up, you buy your Hindu friends. You know, you're looking for a little root, you're celebrating with them. And that happens across Trinidad and Tobago. So do we really have any sort of real racism in this country? I don't think we do. You know, we have play racism. People pretend they're not real, they're not serious. That's why I could always debunk it. [00:12:25] Speaker C: In the part of Chaguanes in which I live, Lunch park, most of my neighbors are Hindu. And for a holiday, my neighbor comes, puts a beautifully presented box of sweets on the table outside, messages me say, it's there waiting for you and that's the kind of love we have. [00:12:44] Speaker B: That's it. [00:12:45] Speaker C: And that is the. I am not saying it's all roses and peaches and cream because there are problems and there are inequalities, serious inequalities that the Trinidad and Tobago society has to fix. But the level of, the level of love that we have. I gone back saying we. But the level of love that we have in this country I think is exceptional. Do you think in Jamaica, the party, the party colors are green and orange. Do you think they could be passing one another on the road? They couldn't. Quick story. I was in Jamaica in 2007 covering their elections and I asked the various parties who I could go on the road with as part of the campaign and to get some sound and record and thing right, I went with the prime minister's party, Portia Simpson Miller, the Orange Party. It was fine, no incident. And then I went with the opposition party of Bruce Golding, who would go on to win and become the Prime Minister. I was in the car with them, right? And we going through the constituency and you know the Jamaican expression, lick shot somebody lick shot. And we had to scatter and the whole, the whole procession broke up. I Nothing, nothing like that. That's a, that's a regular occurrence in Jamaican elections. A lot of people are killed in the election period, especially in 1980. I think the figure was over 800. But I look at what transpired on April 28th and I say, you know, God bless Trinidad and Tobago. Amen and kudos to you for being able to pull that off. 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On the front page we have the picture there of Minister of Public Utilities Barry Padarat and of course the TSTT CEO Kent Weston. Also on the front page this morning when you get your copy, nine WASA board members resigned and Commissioner of Police Earl are still waiting for reinstatement letter. Those are the stories dominating our front page this morning as we get straight into page three. Housing Minister on HDC findings or funding rather we will get it done. So that story is telling you about the government and what government intends to do in terms of allocating funds towards HDC and home development. They say that they also going to get monies to pay off existing contractors who would have had work done in the previous administration. What story jumped out at you this morning, Owen? [00:17:26] Speaker C: This very same TSTT board story because it's the practice when governments change for members of state boards to resign because they are considered to be political appointments. But they small board. The members of what is a small board at TSTT are hanging tough and the message appears to be if you want us to leave, you have to, you have to make us leave. And that's a story that jumped out at me also the fact that the suspended commissioner of police has not had her letter of reinstatement yet and as Guardian has been reporting, she's expected to receive it today. I do hope we make it to the back pages because I'm a sports guy, I'm a back page. [00:18:18] Speaker B: Well, let's get through it as quickly as possible at tsct. I mean the hole in the ground but I mean there is no hard and fast law in Trinidad and Tobago as it relates to state boards. But I believe they will be removed eventually and make room for a new board under this current administration. [00:18:32] Speaker C: Can I chime in? Can I say something very quickly? One of the, one of the chairman of state board was Richard Young, the father of the previous Prime Minister Short, young and he resigned as chair of TTFC and he made this post on LinkedIn that I found to be very interesting. The social media site LinkedIn. He says a long standing governance gap is exposed. When this happened 20 years ago, I proposed a policy that remains urgent today. Appoint at least one third state board members as independent directors so you have a degree of flow and continuity so you don't break up the whole thing. [00:19:09] Speaker B: Which makes sense right away. [00:19:10] Speaker C: And Rushton Pare, who was replaced as the candidate in Mayaro, he said India solved that problem via legislative changes in their state enterprises manual. Most state boards comprise of 13 people appointed by the government, opposition and the president. So something we have to look at because we don't know very quickly, we don't know how long the impasse will last at tstt. But certainly there's a freeze on, on, on hirings, firings, promotions and any kind of activity. It's frozen in place. [00:19:42] Speaker B: It's free movements. Nothing. No, you can't even engage with contractors to do anything new. You can't do nothing. You can't spend no money other than just pay salaries and move on. [00:19:50] Speaker C: Exactly. [00:19:50] Speaker B: The pnm, the pm, sorry, the Prime Minister justifies sweeping cutting cost changes. And when you look at that story on page four, it speaks wastage or unnecessary spending that previous administrations would have engaged in. And I say previous administrations, including the People's Partnership as well, which was headed by our Prime Minister. [00:20:10] Speaker C: Well, one of the things that new governments like to do, and we saw this with Donald Trump in January, one of the things that new governments like to do is to say that their predecessors engaged in a bunch of waste and we are here. [00:20:20] Speaker B: That's the usual rhetoric. [00:20:21] Speaker C: That's the usual thing. And we are here to fine tune things. But some of that will hit us. The media industry is already in a tough spot with regard to revenue and it's going to be in a tougher spot. [00:20:37] Speaker B: Well, with that being said, I mean to me, when I look at the current Prime Minister, I realize this is about legacy now. This could be a final stint at 78 years at the completion of this term. I don't foresee her going forward. Should the UNC even win? I mean, I can't say. I can't predict the future. She'd be well into her 80s if she continues. But I think this is about legacy and the cries of the people. I mean when you look at what the economists are now saying, they, and I said it last week in my mind and I can't remember if I Gave voice to it. But how much money are you saving when you cut back on security details, when you cut back on housing allowances and all these things, even putting a cap on vehicles that ministers can bring in? One of the statements that felt that resonated well with the public is when she said, I don't care. Wherever you're living, when you finish work, go home. If you want to rent a house in Port of Spain, pay your money, you're working. And I could agree with that. We already paying you, you're already living somewhere. And I'm sure you ain't living in an apartment. You have a nice house somewhere, you have a driver. So traffic ain't gonna be much of a hassle for you. You could lie down and rest your eyes and go home. Yeah, go home. And I think a lot of people would have gravitated towards, towards that statement saying, nah, boy, she really understand us. [00:21:53] Speaker C: Right? I think you read it perfectly. Exactly right. With respect to legacy, there are questions and as I said, I write a column in the Sunday Guardian and one of the questions I asked because the fact has to be faced is does she have the physical capability to even complete a term? And I think that's another question for another day, not one we're going to discuss today. But what you say about legacy, I think is spot on. [00:22:20] Speaker B: I thank you for that. Nine WASA board members resign. I think TSCT should take part in. But what is most shocking this morning is on page six this morning early to get letter lifting suspension today coming from the. According to the Police Service Commission chairman. Also the Police Service Commission chided over delay in issuing the letter to the cop. Those two stories illuminated on page six and I upset. [00:22:43] Speaker C: We thought that she should have had it earlier. [00:22:44] Speaker B: We overdoing it. This, this, this, this, this whole debacle with the, with the embattled cop took place and it came to an end on May 10th. If memory serves me right, this was over the weekend. So that was Saturday. Right. I think that came out. Or the story broke or something like that. So if we, if the Police Service Commission knew that Oakment was passed, we had Monday. We still had to get a pigeon or a parrot to carry messages. [00:23:09] Speaker C: They had to fix a fax machine. [00:23:11] Speaker B: My brother, the fax machine. [00:23:15] Speaker C: I just made that up. Please don't, please don't turn that into a newscast. Right. Please don't turn that into a new story. [00:23:21] Speaker B: It can't be a new story. [00:23:22] Speaker C: I just made it. [00:23:23] Speaker B: But yeah, we need a fax machine. I do understand in this modern era, a letter could be drafted, electronic signatures could be affixed, and letters issued via email. Yeah, you could get it enough in a few. In a second or two. [00:23:35] Speaker C: Boop. [00:23:36] Speaker B: You get your instruments of appointment and then the physical letter reaches you thereafter. [00:23:40] Speaker C: I mean, I've forgotten the number of contracts I've signed on my iPad with a pencil. But, you know, we make a joke about a serious situation in that you need the question of leadership at the top of the police force settled as soon as possible. And then there's a question of the cop not having that much time left on her current term. So these things need to be settled as soon as possible. The one place you don't need a vacuum in Trinidad and Tobago is the leadership of the police force. [00:24:11] Speaker B: Now, with that being said, I don't have a problem with her tenure coming to an end two days later. I do have a problem with that. People are saying, so where bring her back for. That's not the issue. She's leaving. If she has to leave, she's leaving with her head held high, her credibility intact. You have no evidence to support, no charges to be brought before me. As a matter of fact, you arrested me and detained me for questioning. Your shame. All kind of thing I went through only to find out that I was not. I did not committed any illegal or criminal acts. [00:24:42] Speaker C: Severe reputational damage. [00:24:44] Speaker B: That's correct. That is what I see happening. So if you bring the lady back in and four days later she leaves because of her contract, tenure has expired and you all don't wish to renew it, that's fine with me. [00:24:55] Speaker C: Justice done. [00:24:56] Speaker B: Justice has been served. That's not the issue. The issue is the delay. The unnecessary delay in getting this letter and clarification because Junior Benjamin is saying, I ain't get nothing. I still the head. And she's coming in saying, I'm the head. I mean, it's all over the place. My suspension has been lifted. I am back at the helm, but haven't physically received that letter. You know, I think it's plenty much ado about nothing, but here's the most interesting story on page seven. PNM stalwarts unhappy with June election date. And when you read that story coming from the former PNM chairman, General Secretary Ashton Ford and Ferdy Ferreira, they are not happy with what's taking place within the PNM at all. Makes me wonder if you guys are these tall Watts and you all have been, especially a man like Ferdy Ferreira, founding member of the pnm. What? What does that what. What does it speak for your constitution? What is happening within the pnm? You have a mixture of those wanting Foster Cummings to go. Foster is now defending himself, saying, I did nothing wrong. I didn't even side with them. I didn't agree then. People in the public are saying, but then you, you, you signed off eventually. And they don't understand about two in the party line. So that story is emanating on page seven along with Trinidad Tobago nursing students failing exam worst in the region. What is that according to. And this story broke with Carissa Lee. I missed that story failing the examiner. All right. Businessmen blame new ministry for delay in clearing containers at port. And that is expected. Amin orders. Now, this is Khadijah Amin, Minister of Local Government. She orders urgent use of resources to clear drains, prevent flooding. Residents tell the PM Papary Road a death trap. And there's images there. Well, listen, she now gets into stay into power. So we'll see. But here's a thing that bugged me this morning, Owen. A story on page nine. I don't know. Check page nine, right? [00:26:54] Speaker C: And if you're looking at us on the webcam, you'll see that my brother is doing this the old fashioned way. And I am. I'm on the app. I not pull a rank on you or have you pull rank on me. [00:27:09] Speaker B: Right, But I challenge him to page nine. [00:27:12] Speaker C: Yeah, I have to scroll. [00:27:14] Speaker B: I have to. Yeah, scroll up. [00:27:16] Speaker C: Yeah. State of payment for wrongful arrest again. Is that the story? There are two stories on page nine, right? [00:27:21] Speaker B: That's the story. But, but, but look at the, look at the, the, the statement right beneath the headline. Fourth payment in eight years. [00:27:30] Speaker C: Right? [00:27:31] Speaker B: Well over $1 million this gentleman has received from the state for wrongful egregious behavior by the Trin Tobago police. How much time we would take to get right? We lock up this man four times, hold him, all kind of bacchanal and drama. He was. This is his fourth payment lawsuit win for him in eight years. [00:27:53] Speaker C: That's unacceptable. Somebody has to take account of that or somebody has to be held accountable for it. That's an unacceptable state of affairs and. [00:28:04] Speaker B: We'Ll get deeper into that in a little bit. Woman autopsy delayed again as pathologist Mrs. Flight. That story is on page 11. Yeah, we know about that. [00:28:11] Speaker C: In Trinidad and Tobago. [00:28:13] Speaker B: Yeah, yeah. Taxi driver Robin Sando. Attorneys appeal judges move to refer him to LATT disciplinary committee and that stories on page 10 and 11 respectively, moving further afield as we get straight into the international headlines this morning on the World Digest Zelinsky waiting for meeting with Putin and that has to do with Vladimir Putin and Mr. Mr. Zielinski. You know both of them names similar when you look at Zelensky's first name and Putin. [00:28:42] Speaker C: Vladimir and Vladimir. Yes. Yes. Yeah. They're they're not twins though. They were not separated. [00:28:49] Speaker B: Vladimir and Vladimir. [00:28:52] Speaker C: Vladimir being the, the president of Ukraine and Yeah, and Vladimir being the president of very very. [00:28:57] Speaker B: I look at those names and I. [00:28:58] Speaker C: Said that is where the similarities end because I those guys need some kind of chaperone to be in the same room together because they don't want to fight. Well boy, I mean fisticuffs. They are fighting on the battlefield. Their troops are fighting on the battlefield. But I don't think you can think of two men in world affairs who hate each other more than the two of them. [00:29:20] Speaker B: Wow. Over to London man who spent 38 years in prison not angry as murder conviction overturned. Coming back to the region we have Kingston, Jamaica British national held for cross border movement of funds. That story is on page 14 as well. High court judge in Grenada derusted after being charged with criminal offense. And over to the to Malia Manila sorry detained Philippines ex president wins moral omioral Reese, over to the business section ATS our economist arts is now saying Kyle must rethink US dollars online sales and tanko moves with caf. Those are the stories in the business section. Now Owen, let's get quickly over to the your favorite part of the papers. [00:30:07] Speaker C: I, I always start on the back pages and I'm scrolling, scrolling scrolling to the back pages and, and they're looking at the NBA. [00:30:15] Speaker B: Well they see in me right. I get it real good old fashioned and hindsight. [00:30:19] Speaker C: Yeah I, I, I tease it. I tease a demand about old fashioned methods and I have to employ my, employ my scrolling finger just looking at the the NBA series in the east and the West. I think some of the games were late last night and happened after the papers went to press. The Indiana Pacers wrapped up their series and look on course to face the New York Knicks who have a lead over the Celtics. And the Celtics are without their, their star player Jason Tatum. But I'm not gonna bore you with basketball. CPL and other forms of cricket are coming soon. So there's that. Right. And, and look out for the Minnesota Timberwolves and the next star in global basketball, Anthony Edwards. So I just wanted to keep that that very brief. [00:31:10] Speaker B: All right. And that's some of the stories. We have a story. Defense Force ac Port of Spain clash in Football cup that's taking place as well. You can get that story there on page 38 of our Guardian for the People. [00:31:23] Speaker C: Yeah. And Also on page 38, two of our Trini Trinity boys, Russell and. No, well, one is. Russell is Jamaican. But the great Sunil Narayne and Russell are set to resume battle in the Indian Premier League, the ipl, which was disrupted because of fighting between India and Pakistan and everything got pushed back. So they are set to resume with their teams. There's a story to watch. It's not being reported in the papers today, but there is a story to watch with the later conclusion of the IPL clashing with West Indies match commitments in England and elsewhere later in the month or in a few weeks time. [00:32:12] Speaker E: All right. [00:32:12] Speaker B: And I like that and I thank you very much for that. We are now 19 minutes, 21 minutes rather, 21 minutes on the upswing to the hour of 7 o' clock this morning. We take a quick commercial break and when we come back we get to your calls. Remember, two minutes or less to the best of your ability. 625-2257 and 6273223. We'll be back with more stick and stay. [00:32:33] Speaker A: The best insight, instant feedback, accountability, the. [00:32:37] Speaker C: All new Talk Radio Freedom 1 6.5. [00:32:57] Speaker B: Once again, good morning Trinidad and Tobago. Welcome Back to Freedom 106.5 FM. Davey Marin, your company, Owen Gordon, we are your host for the morning rumble for today. As I said before, it is Wednesday. It's hum day. Middle of the week. [00:33:09] Speaker C: Middle of the week. Almost middle of the year. [00:33:12] Speaker B: Yeah, boy, we 15 days or 16 days away from middle of the year. [00:33:16] Speaker C: I want to be the first to wish you Merry Christmas. You laugh. We'll get there sooner than you think, you know. [00:33:25] Speaker B: David, will you just take up these? [00:33:31] Speaker C: I want to be the first. You ready? And I probably am the first. [00:33:34] Speaker B: You are the first. [00:33:35] Speaker C: Yeah. So here we go. [00:33:36] Speaker B: As we are five months in, we take your phone call, 625-2257. Of course, 6273223. We take your WhatsApp messages as well. And I can tell you off the bat, I am very upset about one thing. With this police commissioner and this whole debacle that's taking place, I think by now we should have been told, as you rightfully said, Owen, a few moments ago, that is one entity we don't want to be in an upheaval about. [00:33:59] Speaker C: There's an acting commissioner, you could say, but we know how officers work, you know that he is not the guy or the person let's be gender neutral about it and that the real boss is coming back so no meaningful decisions get taken. [00:34:16] Speaker B: That's. Oh my gosh, I couldn't put it better myself. Meaningful decisions and discussions. So let's get to the phone lines. Hello. Good morning. [00:34:22] Speaker C: Good morning, David. [00:34:23] Speaker B: Good morning to you sir. [00:34:24] Speaker C: Good morning to Mr. Gordon, the city, the cousin of Flash Gordon. But anyway, anyway, let me just say. [00:34:32] Speaker E: This to you David. [00:34:33] Speaker C: You know when I said on this program on Monday when they tell me owner in office, I said listen very carefully. The only body responsible for seating someone in the chair of the commissioner is the parliament. That is stenciled in the constitution. The Police Service Commission or no judge. [00:34:54] Speaker E: Could put nobody in that chair. [00:34:56] Speaker C: He could compensate Ms. Ola for inconvenience and give her money and all kind of things but he cannot put her in that chair faster than yourself. And then why are you taking the long to ACD letter issue? What letter? To where that man is seated there on the behest of the parliament. [00:35:13] Speaker B: Constitutionally you can't just sit somebody inside. [00:35:17] Speaker C: Just oh, I made that contribution. Then this mad scientist from Mars flying in a spaceship through the galaxy heard what I said, landed a spaceship in the Queen Park Savannah pull up a telephone and ballad Eric doesn't know what you're talking about. I told them that if you seated earlier in that chair it would be an unprecedented precedent since constitutionally the judge doesn't have that right, the Police Service Commission does not have that right. There's a process for who sits in that chair and Ms. Earla cannot be seated. I will challenge anybody, anybody to tell me different. So when you say you wonder still why the letter issued and letter issued the Police Service Commission but it in the crease, you know them batted in the crease. The judge batted in his crease too. He didn't say go back and sit down there and when you sit down there, tell them I send you, you can't say that there's a constitutional process. [00:36:15] Speaker E: Who sits in the chair and that. [00:36:17] Speaker C: Kills only when the parliament decide who sits in it. Thank you for listening. [00:36:21] Speaker B: You know, while I wonder. You're welcome. And you just spoke in my respective opinion a lot of nonsensical issues because Ms. Earla Hayward Christopher, she is the head of the Trin Tobago Police pending the outcome of an investigation. [00:36:40] Speaker C: Right. [00:36:40] Speaker B: That investigation was brought to a close both by the director of Public Prosecutions and also by the acting Commissioner of Police, Junior Benjamin. If the matter is closed and a reinstatement order was issued, why you talking about the judge can't tell you sit up that. Is that not a nonsense, you know, spew there. And I mean for what reason you just making a mountain out of a molehill. The facts are, let's go as the crow flies in a straight line direct. Why do we make much fuss about simple things? Sometimes you're in a management position, Owen, and something happens and you convolute the thing and you complicate the whole process when it could be simply addressed and dealt with. [00:37:19] Speaker C: Nobody's saying that there weren't tangled legal matters in this. There were. The removal of the case against her was testament to that. But as you said, the procedural hurdles have been cleared and you need the leadership of the premier law enforcement agency in the country settled immediately. Immediately. As soon as. As soon as humanly possible. [00:37:46] Speaker B: So to come and play this rhetoric and I mean that we had to open our eyes. You know, we had to start to do our best to simplify things. Gone are the days are the days when they're reading a budget and I often refer to this and when the budget is. Is read in parliament by the finance minister years back, we just working to get flower raised that reduce. If we get a little 50 cents on the. On the minimum wage, all the GDP, expenditure, all that growth and domestic and. But a lot of people don't understand it. When Patrick Manning simplified it, the late Patrick Manning simplified the budget, people was. It was relatable. We could now listen to it. And I remember working in one newsroom and sitting down for over three hours, Owen, because I need to pull out stories here to write and listening to this budget and having to. There was so much information. My brain couldn't collaborate calibrate everything that was happening at me. [00:38:40] Speaker C: Yeah. A lot of process. [00:38:40] Speaker B: It was a lot to deal with. So I'm saying when you talk about the judge couldn't say this about Earl and put her there and. No, no, no, no, no. [00:38:49] Speaker C: You see, one of the job. Devi. One of the jobs that we have as media and the citizens have is to demand better. [00:38:55] Speaker B: That's it. [00:38:56] Speaker C: From the people who serve us, not to line up for three and four hours outside of the licensing office. I, you know, I would hope, irrespective of which party you supported in the elections, that you hope that the folks now in charge of Trinidad and Tobago enable service delivery in a better fashion across the board in every area of our lives, we have to hold people accountable and demand better from them. And that is simply what you're doing, demanding better. [00:39:32] Speaker B: That's all we are asking for so to tell me that the judge couldn't ask me. Why didn't they deal with this as a matter of urgency? Why did they take the Sunday off and not get to the matter of the state immediately to bring some sort of clarity to the people. [00:39:49] Speaker C: See the commissioner right away, immediately. [00:39:51] Speaker B: Because you have already breached the public trust. In terms of what I sat in a car yesterday because sometimes I will travel and sometimes I drive and I listened to what was taking place. And, and this passenger and the driver was talking about the whole debacle with Ula and there was like. So we had two commissioners then and if the poor. And here's one of the most interesting thing the passenger said and I was just sitting on here very quietly listening. [00:40:16] Speaker C: He said if there's real wisdom in cars and rooftops. [00:40:19] Speaker B: The man said if they could do that to Ula, boy to the head, what are they gonna leave for us? Boy, when the whole we are the side of the road and this is him talking to the driver and he and the driver going back and when I just sit down there listening and that is how the people thinking. So you already erode public trust. [00:40:33] Speaker C: Yes. [00:40:34] Speaker B: In terms of investigations and police holding you, detaining you, whatever they are looking. And then there's no clarity with immediate effect to show well, listen, we heard, we got it right. This is what's happening and move forward. We get Suzette Martin inside here, we get some clarity on the matter. The public wants to hear it whether you think we deserve it or not. If you want to regain public trust trust, these are the areas in which you need to cover. [00:40:58] Speaker C: Excellent point on public trust. [00:40:59] Speaker B: Thank you very much. Hello, good morning. [00:41:02] Speaker E: Good morning to you. [00:41:03] Speaker B: Good morning, David and gentleman Day. What? [00:41:06] Speaker E: What Eric here, he just said that the letter incompetent. So something coming in mind. But he didn't hear that letter coming today. Right. And again call again putting his foot in his mouth. And maybe you say it right. She's a certain commissioner. She's not a nomination and nothing. She's a certain commissioner. She will see time. [00:41:29] Speaker F: Fire. [00:41:30] Speaker E: Well, I know the government might have to go to Parliament extension time but at this time they don't have to go in Parliament to say error. I had to sit down in the seat. She done a commission. I already that's common sense. [00:41:45] Speaker B: Thank you very much, caller. [00:41:47] Speaker E: Thank you very much. [00:41:48] Speaker B: Thank you very much. And, and, and that's a good point. I thought about it but I took the call why we have to go to Parliament again. She already there Given the state, unless there's actions afoot to remove her or when she demits office in a couple days and her tenure is no longer, you know, reinstated to her, then we go through the bureaucratic rhetoric to get a new one and then we put back junior and act again. You know, we are all actors in this country and we go forward. But to tell me that I had to go to Parliament to reinstate ula. No, no, no, no, no. When was she removed? When was she fired? And then get. When was she constitutionally removed from office? When did that. All the Police Service Commission did was exercise their due diligence within their rights, within their purview. Listen, and I'm happy that they did and I'll tell you why. [00:42:40] Speaker C: No, sure, sure. [00:42:40] Speaker B: This little point. There was an argument that she could interfere with the elect, with the judicial process and investigative process. If she stays at the helm with influencing the juniors and, you know, move her, allow the investigation, put him as acting. If she had remained and vindicated, the talk would have been different this morning. She must be influenced. Somebody in there, she was there. How could the police investigate Police and the police still there. And it would have been a whole upheaval. This morning the Police Service Commission moved you your home. You have no influence, you have no access to the office. You have nothing. You're home and you have waited. And vindication came when she went to the cathedral and said, let us pray. [00:43:24] Speaker C: She was on to something, you know, the reputational damage. She suffered considerable reputational damage. And I. And I wonder how it. On a human level, let's put ourselves in her shoes coming back to office after that, an erosion of your authority and trust and all of this. Remember, somebody under her had carried forward the sort of fight and investigation or was a part of the procedure that caused her to be investigated. Those are very difficult job circumstances to return to. But then, to be honest with you, I don't even know I'd want the job back. [00:44:06] Speaker B: But then the thing about it is the fact that I was cleared. [00:44:08] Speaker C: Yeah. [00:44:09] Speaker B: Can now speak. [00:44:09] Speaker C: Vindication is important to the others now. Vindication is our leader. [00:44:13] Speaker B: And then we now turn our attention to the dcp. What you really had, did you consult with the DPP beforehand? Yes, to the dpp. Could have reviewed what your story and say, listen, this is good business and this could work. [00:44:29] Speaker C: Yeah. [00:44:29] Speaker B: Let's go forward because when you presented your. And you know, Owen, I say it all the time, police don't need much to bounce through this door and take you and I into custody. Look what happened here. Eight years, four arrests. Over one point something million dollars being paid for wrongful arrests. So maybe we should review that whole policy and hold officers accountable. If you are arresting somebody and detaining their rights, you're suspending their constitutional right to free movement because you have them on suspicion of breaking an enter, committing some offense. [00:45:07] Speaker C: Devi, I'm a big believer in public education. I think the. I think the people in. Sorry to interrupt. [00:45:13] Speaker B: No, go ahead. [00:45:14] Speaker C: I think the people in positions of authority need to explain to the public this is how things work. I'm not saying explain it to them in an idiot simple way. This is how things work. This is the procedure and the police service commission needed to bring the public into the picture about how things work. Exactly how things work procedurally because as you correctly said, public trust has been damaged badly. [00:45:39] Speaker B: Hello. Good morning. Hello. [00:45:44] Speaker E: Good morning, Mr. Devi. [00:45:45] Speaker B: Good morning to you sir and your guest, Princess tong. Owen. [00:45:48] Speaker E: Yes, Mr. Devi. How many times more are we going to be subject to this kind of abuse you are hearing of a citizen? [00:45:59] Speaker F: Four times. [00:46:01] Speaker D: Receive. [00:46:02] Speaker E: Have to receive compensation now for wrongful. [00:46:06] Speaker D: Arrest or whatever it is. [00:46:07] Speaker E: Failure on the part of the police to do whatever it is. I mean this is, this is most unacceptable. And I am saying there needs to. [00:46:20] Speaker B: Have some kind of legislation or something. [00:46:22] Speaker D: In place to protect the citizens from. [00:46:24] Speaker E: These, from these delinquent police officers. [00:46:30] Speaker B: This cannot be business as usual. All right, Princess Tong, thanks very much. I want to get two more calls in before the news and you could always call us back. Now you talk about legislation, Owen, for police. I think we probably don't need legislation per se, but we need to start to hold officers accountable for their actions. [00:46:48] Speaker C: Yes, we do. [00:46:49] Speaker B: And bring them, bring them before the courts, bring them to justice if they maliciously attempt to prosecute someone. One police officer said to me back in 2009, 2010, he said, a police officer just don't like you. You have a little thing. He know he can't win in court, but he can arrest you on suspicion of this. That, that, that how you going to. Going to court and going through the system for the next year and a half, two years paying a lawyer and then you know the case gonna get dismissed. If that is what they could do. We need to revisit this. And if they do hold Owen or Davy for whatever and they could not justify why, then those officers need to be made to pay for something. Either you lose your job, something has to happen. At the end of the day, you have to hold them accountable for their accountability. You're talking about citizens and their free movement and their constitutional rights being infringed upon because you have a vendetta or you just some. Some family. You buy a fight from someone so you have a family member or they like this person. Yeah. And make your life difficult. [00:47:50] Speaker C: That badge carries enormous power. [00:47:52] Speaker B: It does. [00:47:53] Speaker C: And with power comes responsibility. [00:47:55] Speaker B: We learned that from Spider Man. And by the way, Owen, somebody said to tell you they want to be the first to wish us Happy New Year. I just thought I should tell you that. Hello. Good morning. [00:48:05] Speaker D: Hi. [00:48:05] Speaker C: Good morning. [00:48:06] Speaker B: Good morning. [00:48:07] Speaker E: What Eric is talking about, he's not living here. [00:48:11] Speaker B: You know what that made me remember? Tell me. [00:48:13] Speaker E: Way back in between 2010-2015 when the People's Partnership won the government, Mr. Rowley and Alwari went to every station and. [00:48:32] Speaker B: Bad talking the government and saying that they are not going to support it. [00:48:37] Speaker C: Here we get this. Eric coming back and saying the same thing again. [00:48:43] Speaker B: I don't know. He is not that bad. [00:48:45] Speaker C: He's not living here. [00:48:47] Speaker B: All right, all right. Thank you very much. Quickly caller, good morning. [00:48:51] Speaker D: Good morning, Mr. Davey, good morning to. [00:48:53] Speaker F: You, your entire host and audience and. [00:48:55] Speaker E: Your very, very powerful guest there. [00:48:58] Speaker C: Thank you. [00:48:59] Speaker B: What I want to say is this. [00:49:00] Speaker E: I want to top Kingsley this morning. [00:49:02] Speaker C: And add to him the parliament did not install a commissioner. [00:49:07] Speaker F: They installed an acting commissioner. [00:49:10] Speaker E: So the fact that the commissioner is back acting done. [00:49:14] Speaker B: You don't have to go back to parliament again. [00:49:16] Speaker E: Thank you. [00:49:17] Speaker B: Thank you very much for that. And short and sweet. I love that. Two minutes or less and we get those messages in attention to the Toronto Tobago Police Service in Tunapuna. I just passed a woman walking naked along the eastern main road in the vicinity of the orphanage. Can any police officer in that area, they could look into that matter. Very quickly please. I have a message coming in here. I just need to get to it very quickly. Why didn't they go and discuss the matter with the Police Service Commission before acting? That's DCP Martin and your team. [00:49:47] Speaker C: Public. Public education, my friend. Public education. [00:49:50] Speaker B: Well said, Maram. There seems to be a lot of gray area with respect to the citizens right is and what police aren't allowed to do when it comes to road stops, documents, etc. And I can, I can relate to that because recently I saw a video circulating where license officers arrested someone and I don't think they have the authority to do that. They can decommission your car, take your car of the road, but to arrest you if they have information that you did something wrong, call the police. They're the only ones with powers of arrest. [00:50:16] Speaker C: Yep. [00:50:16] Speaker B: To detain persons. No one really believes that the DCP acted without instructions and perhaps promises from above. Well, I stayed clear from that. I have no information on that. Eric and others need to have some common sense when it comes to supposed facts. [00:50:34] Speaker A: The best insight, instant feedback, accountability. [00:50:38] Speaker C: The all new talk radio Freedom 106.5. [00:50:51] Speaker B: Good morning, Davy. And good morning to your guest presented here, Daisy. [00:50:56] Speaker C: I take the position that a Prime. [00:50:58] Speaker B: Minister who is conscious of legacy is. [00:51:02] Speaker C: Going to do better than a Prime. [00:51:04] Speaker B: Minister who is not. [00:51:06] Speaker E: Look at our prime minister, Dr. Rowley. I mean, he really didn't care to. [00:51:11] Speaker B: And he kept saying he didn't want the job. The worst person to give a job to is someone who doesn't want it. So basically, you're forcing the man to do something he doesn't want to do. [00:51:22] Speaker E: No wonder he did such a bad job. [00:51:24] Speaker B: If someone wants the job and they are conscious of their legacy, they are more likely to do a good job if they have the ability, of course, and circumstances allow them to. And we see that happening here. What I see unfolding here is something very desirable, something good is going to happen under Kamala. Not only one thing, but a whole lot. And of course, with that voice note, we say welcome back to the morning rumble here. It's 7:15 in the nation's capital. Are you on the roadways already? Are you still facing the inclement traffic conditions that we face daily? Well, if you are, then rock back, take your time, float through the traffic this morning with ease and listen to freedom. Owen and Davey, we're on your radio this morning. Owen. [00:52:09] Speaker C: Yeah, man. That was a vote of confidence by the last caller in the prime minister and he made an excellent point. If you know that it's your last rumble, to borrow a phrase we're familiar with, if you know that it's your last rumble, you're going to approach things differently. [00:52:27] Speaker B: Indeed so. Indeed so. And we can only wait with bated breath to see what happens. Also, folks, when life throws you the onyx throws the unexpected at you, rather fires, storms, accidents. You need an insurance partner you can trust at Furnace Anchorage General Insurance. They have got you covered. Don't wait for disaster to strike. Called Furnace Anchorage General Insurance today. For a free quote, visit online because when it comes to protection, they've got you covered. All right? So make sure and call Furnace this morning. Hello, good morning. [00:53:00] Speaker F: A pleasant good morning, Devi, and a pleasant good morning to your guests. [00:53:03] Speaker B: Load on your radio, please. [00:53:05] Speaker F: Yeah, sure. [00:53:07] Speaker B: Okay. [00:53:07] Speaker F: So Devi, I Want to begin this morning by commending Prime Minister Kamala Prasad Bisesa on her attempt to cut costs where taxpayers money had been wasted in the past for too much advertising. Advertising is needed and we should do that. But we should do that whenever there is need for it and rental of properties. There are too many government buildings lying idly by and taxpayers monies are being spent to rent properties. We can save on that. So it's excellent. Also I want to commend local government Minister Khadija Amin and Agriculture Minister Ravi for meeting with regional corporations so early in the game and at this point to try to alleviate the flooding issue. I will tell you Faris Al Rawi was minister of local government. He never met with any of the regional corporations. How could he have governed them? How could he have guided them when he never met with them? Also the national debt Devi. We are learning of a huge national debt created by the former government. And the thing is that. Why is that so when we compare to the People's Partnership government under Kamala Prasad Binsesa we saw between 50 to 55 billion dollars spent every year. And we would have seen tangible things being done under the TNM. About $500 billion in almost 10 years and we cannot see anything. And yet they called corruption. So for those who talk about the UNC government coming into power with the perception of being corrupt. Those allegations were created by the TNM and allegations remain allegations as evidenced by the issue concerning the commission of police. And as I close I just want to mention it's not only Earla who has to get a letter. There was one police constable who was charged for some minor offense a couple years ago in 2023. The matter was dismissed and he's still waiting to get his letter to go back to work. I thank you. [00:55:34] Speaker A: Enjoy. [00:55:34] Speaker C: You. [00:55:37] Speaker B: All right? Thank you very much. Thank you very much for your thoughts there currently central. Hello. Good morning. [00:55:46] Speaker F: Now I totally in agreement. You have to start with two. Right? We have good thing we have like practice right? This extra mosquito millions to people who are wrongfully charged, wrongfully arrested. I want to stop. Police need to pay from the pocket. This is too much of money being wasted by the state boy to pay this man. How much time did he get out of the navy? Four times. [00:56:16] Speaker E: David. [00:56:17] Speaker B: Yeah, four times. [00:56:18] Speaker F: Four times. A job you have he like I could do with one of them things just lock me up one summer sees a job. It's ridiculous. The police need to go back to school. The police need to go back to schooling. They don't know the law. I can't be locking up people without evidence. Boy, it's more dotis Vegas to tell her that. [00:56:41] Speaker B: All right. Thanks. Yeah. Four times one man arrested and had to be compensated. So if we, I mean, I heard in the taxi yesterday, citizens were talking about if they could do the commissioner, that would they leave for us. And we see it this morning four times in eight years with the latest installment, 170 plus thousand TT dollars being meted out to this guy, to this man. And when you look at his history of winning these lawsuits, it's well over a million dollars he would have received from the state for wrongful, egregious arrests coming from the ttps. We take a break. Coming up next, Dhiraj Mahes, president of the Point Lisa's Chamber of COVID Point Lisa's Chamber. He's on the line with us right after this. Commercial break the Best Insight Instant Feedback. [00:57:25] Speaker A: Accountability, the all new Talk Radio Freedom. [00:57:29] Speaker B: 106.5, 22 minutes after 7 o' clock. Owen and Davey in your company until 9 o' clock this morning. And we are getting set to chat with the president of the Chamber of Commerce, Coover Point Lisa's. We have Dhioraj Mahes on the line on Zoom here with us this morning. Mr. Mahes, good morning to you. [00:57:58] Speaker D: Yes, good morning. Good morning. Good morning, Trinidad and Tobago. [00:58:02] Speaker B: Well, you are chatting here with Davey Murray and Owen Gordon. As we commence with our conversation this morning, we kick things off with the chambers perspective when it relates to the business community and how you all are viewing the cost cutting measures being undertaken here by the government of Trinidad and Tobago at this time. [00:58:23] Speaker D: Yes. Morning again. So we have looked at these measures and it's a, it's a step in the right direction because, you know, you could channel funds that as the prime minister would have mentioned and we have seen in the media, you can channel those funds elsewhere at this point in time because the key note here is that cost cutting and not stopping, so it seems to be some temporary measures, whereas you can utilize these funds in different areas, you know, to get other measures that you would like to implement going. So we see it as a good initiative. And, you know, I don't think it's going to have any impact on where the cost cutting has been done. [00:59:15] Speaker C: Where would you like to see? Good morning, Mr. Mahes. This is Oren Gordon. Where would you like to see the funds reallocated? [00:59:24] Speaker D: I think that our main issue as we see it here is the crime initiative and I think that that was mentioned that funds are going to be channeled into those areas and of course trying to get some level of stimulation into the economy. Businesses and so on need to move forward, especially the SMEs, where as the chambers we chamber, our membership, you know, requires these kinds of stimulation. And not just the Coover point, Lisa's Chamber, but chambers across the country. We try to be in collaboration and have discussion with the other chambers, such as Ashagorn, as Faizabad, Rima Business association and so on. So it's really to get some level of stimulation going and you know, to try to get these, these small businesses up and running in a better format than they are now. [01:00:28] Speaker C: Yeah, it's interesting that you spoke of crime number one and you spoke of collaboration with the other chambers because one thing that's been noticeable over recent years is that the chambers, Chaguanas, the Southern chambers, the Trinidad and Tobago Chamber of Commerce, they have increasingly sounded off over crime and this is something that their membership is filtering back to them as a really serious concern. [01:01:03] Speaker D: Yes, yes, definitely. Because I mean it has an impact. It has a very serious impact in fact, because it's not just the activity of crime itself, but how it affects business. Because we would have seen a lot of businesses closing earlier. There are some businesses that, I mean, even if you want to expand into other areas and provide some additional services to the community, you may not want to because you are seen as some kind of, you know, a target. If you show growth, then you become, you know, you're being looked at and so on. So the businesses themselves may not even want to get into additional business because of those activities and those being targeted or being looked at. So by curbing crime itself, by moving drastically to get this area dealt with, you may very well have a level of stimulation for business right there without, as they say, without putting out much money. Low hanging fruits as we like to call it. [01:02:21] Speaker C: How about the high hanging fruit? How else would you like to see the business stimulated and grown? [01:02:29] Speaker D: There are areas, for example the export industry and we know we have a vibrant manufacturing export industry in this country. [01:02:38] Speaker C: Indeed you do. Yes. [01:02:41] Speaker D: We need to move to, and there have been methods to do this, but there needs to be a bigger outreach. There are a lot of small businesses who really has the potential, but you need to give them the channels, the opportunities and using areas such as those government agencies like Exporttiti Investiti and so on. And there are a lot of programs out there. Yes, but is getting it across to the, the smaller businesses and so on and, and allowing them to exploit those Those areas so they themselves can grow, earn foreign exchange, which is a critical issue as well. [01:03:29] Speaker C: It is a. It is an issue of recurring concern. You, you mentioned small business. How, how. What size of business are we talking about? And if I could just add a rider to that question. The previous MP for Mayaro Rushton Pare had said that one of the things that the new government should focus on is growing small businesses and helping small businesses to grow. When you say small, what do you mean? Cottage industry kind of thing, kitchen table kind of business? What do you mean by small business? [01:04:06] Speaker D: Right, so I mean small can be anything from those cottage industries. Yes, five to more people. Some businesses would have. And we have to take this measure from, you know, we experienced the COVID 19 and businesses might be operating at a smaller scale, meaning from home and so on, a lot of online business and things like that. So small meaning I, I would say from five persons, but it could be less because you have persons who are doing how to say retail or providing services whereby they. They bring in items that can supply certain service sectors. [01:04:52] Speaker C: Basically people who don't have a shop front. [01:04:55] Speaker D: You have. Yes, that is an. And that again as a cost saving measure, some businesses would have acclimatized to that during the. Or the aftermath of COVID in trying to keep themselves afloat. So yes, and then we have things like the creative industries, the craft industries and those type of businesses. Now yes, we can help or put those business out, but we need to move and further develop manufacturing for export as well as local consumption. Because import substitute is an area that should be looked at as well. Because again, you can save foreign exchange by some level of import substitute. [01:05:42] Speaker B: You know, when we look at small businesses and Owen make a very good point in terms of the size, you know, and I want to clear the issue on that very clear. What in your respective opinion connotates a small business? Let's be very clear. I want the man in the taxi can understand and relate to what we are asking this morning. [01:06:04] Speaker D: Right. So as I was calling a figure there and I'm saying small in terms of employees. But you look, small businesses can even go up to 25, 30 people because there are retail industries there. Let's just say industry that is doing some level of packaging and things like that. Those can also be considered small business because they are providing a level of intermediate service to the medium business, to the larger manufacturing firms and so on. So small can vary in terms of the industry. [01:06:57] Speaker B: And I respect that. I think government needs to be very clear on the mandate as to the maximum in terms of what could be classified as a small. And from that you move on to medium. Because one, you know, I think the lines are blurred. It's not clear as to what is a small or medium business enterprise. We understand what can. Can be considered as a large conglomerate. But to say small to medium, I think that clarity. There are blurred lines there. And that's why I asked the question from a chamber's perspective, as the President, what you all in your area, in your neck of the woods, would classify as a small business. Now, there are new laws coming in or on the agenda promised in our last electoral campaign by especially the current government here in terms of stand your ground laws. What is the. How does the Chamber view this? I mean, we have businesses we'd have seen in the. Over the last eight years, the data has shown how many businesses, business owners were attacked, robbed and in some instances murdered in this country. And here it is, our current Prime Minister and her government is promising to bring legislation to Parliament to stand your ground. What is the Chamber's perspective on that? [01:08:07] Speaker C: And also easier. Sorry to interrupt, David. Also easier facilitation of procurement of firearms. [01:08:13] Speaker B: Of firearms. What is the Chamber's perspective? [01:08:16] Speaker D: Yes. So that as well, we see as a good initiative. It's something that can really provide a level of comfort to the business community and to the population at large. At large. Obviously, there has to be control measures in place because. [01:08:37] Speaker C: Absolutely. [01:08:38] Speaker D: You know, and, and I am very certain, because there's a lot of legal persons in, in the government, especially in this, in this particular government. [01:08:49] Speaker C: Yeah, there are lots of lawyers in the government. [01:08:53] Speaker D: I am sure that they would not go out there without having all of these consultations and having proper guidelines in place, because there may be. I am not a legal expert, but like I said, stand your ground requires certain legal directives and things like that. So it is a good initiative. We look forward to it. In terms of relaxing the FUL procedures and so on. That is definitely and absolutely needed because we see it all the time that persons are taking eight and 10 years and things like that. Why should we in 2025 be having any measure, any system, whether it's FUL or what, to take years or even months to process. We have all these systems that in place. Let us activate them and have them working. [01:09:56] Speaker B: So is it that you're saying fast tracking fuels, do you think that putting these weapons in the hands of business owners more readily, that will bring about a measure of safety and security? Wouldn't that code in your respective Opinion cause more problems because it's not as, as, as cut and dry as one may think. Remember when you sh. When you shoot someone or take someone's life in the, in the, During a home invasion or some robbery, you have to prove beyond reasonable doubt that your immediate life or the life of somebody else was in danger. So one has to ask putting the firearm in the hands of someone with mediocre checks such as your mental health, so you don't have no papers from St. Anne's you're mentally stable, as it were, you know, there have been no triggers in the past, you have no criminal records and we give you a firearm. What safety measures can one derive from having that firearm? Because if something goes awry, we know the rhetoric that, that follows thereafter, the long drawn out process, the person. So when the person's firearm is seized by police officers during the investigation without the firearm still. So that's a one time, one off protection, then you see, these are things that we have to look at. And I'm asking you this morning, as the chamber president, do you all feel safer because you are an ful holder. [01:11:24] Speaker D: Right now, Remember, as you, as you pointed out there, there are already procedures in place. They are already procedures. And while it may, it may seem not adequate in some person's views, a lot of what, what is done is fairly stringent. But remember, they're saying that this, these processes are going to be reviewed and there's a need to review because people putting a weapon in anybody's hand is a dangerous thing. Yes. However, if you review and the measures that are already there, they may need to improve or tweak those measures. Yes. But part of the key in that is training, training and training, because you cannot put. These are very, very, how to say it, I mean, very dangerous. But training is key. And awareness, because not only handling a fire, but also awareness and the legal aspect of it in terms of what the law requires, all of these things. So it is not just, as you see, I cut and dry to just open the door and say here, have a firearm. There's a whole lot of background to take place. So persons who think that, I mean, it's just going to happen. I don't think that that is, that is going to happen. I don't think that that is what is meant by what the government is saying. All they're saying is that, listen, we are going to review this whole thing, we're going to make it more accessible and so on. But obviously stringent procedural methods, training awareness and so on will be the key to rule this out. [01:13:19] Speaker C: You took the words out of my mouth. With respect to training, I've been exposed to firearms. I'm not going to get into how and where and when, but this is in the course of doing reporting. And one, it's a big step to point a lethal weapon at somebody and then make a decision to fire that. But I'm not going to be labeled a point because I think that you, you, you made, you made some excellent points with respect to the responsibility that comes with owning and operating a firearm and some of the checks and balances that are going to have to be put in before people are able to procure this. But just to, to put a bow on this particular part of the discussion, you've made the point that it's your membership of all sizes have expressed concern about being targeted, have expressed concern about their safety. They see the need for the issuing of firearms licenses to be expedited, and they see the need in the first place to get more firearms to protect themselves. I want to pivot to other aspects of your, of the chambers operation. You advocate for things like tax breaks, like the swifter movement of goods off of the ports. Are these initiatives that you're going to be banging down the government's door about? [01:15:06] Speaker D: Absolutely. And just as we move on, and I know we have a time limit and so on, just to add one thing, with regards to the last point on the FUS and so on, obviously there has to be a lot of collaboration with the police service, the various security arms and so on, because it really requires that level of, you know, guidance and all that goes with it. So we, I, I'll just say that to close that point with regards to goods and clearance, we need to move, we need to move on this. Yes, because one of the key aspects of this is our customs reform. And while we note that there are some changes that the government would like to make, we look forward to those changes. We look forward to the strengthening of the BIR as was recently indicated. And of course, we look forward to customs reform. Customs reform is key. We have a lot of, you know, challenges. Businesses have reported membership, have reported back with a lot of challenges that comes with it. And we recognize that there's a lot of work being done in the background. The service itself, the customs would really put forward things that they're trying to do. There are a lot of changes that have been happening in the area. But in order to further modernize, we are saying that there has to be a deep dive into this, not just on the surface, but the Customs act itself, it is a bit outdated. You need to look at it to see where changes can be made to suit what is happening in today's economy, in today's not only internal but external factors, terms of shipping and logistics and how we could satisfy the local and business community, but within the law of what customs require as well. [01:17:25] Speaker B: All right, Mr. President. Okay, go ahead, continue. [01:17:28] Speaker D: Yeah, so, so that, that, that level of reform, digitalization and so on. And we know that there are moves to get into these areas, but we need to really move a little faster to get those things in place because there is a lot of challenge business. I mean you can, if you, if you go out there and you speak to businesses and a lot of businesses may not want to really comment on the air and put themselves out into, into, you know, the forum. But the fact is there are challenges, there are challenges related to, to these areas. And I saved the custom area because in order to get access to the cargo to clear from the ports and so on, those are the first stages. And if you have issues and challenges there, you would not be able to get to the point of clearance. [01:18:26] Speaker B: So have the Chamber of Commerce sought any sort of audience with the incoming Trade and Industry Minister to get at least to bring forward some of these recommendations that you're, you're iterating on? [01:18:41] Speaker D: Yes, and in the, in the, just to add previously we would have sent and we would have advocated for these things. I would have put a lot of statements out in the media regarding this. And yes, we are in process of. And we have started reaching out to the ministers are connected with trade, Trade and tourism. Also we are looking at the other ministers who we believe will have an influence and can add some assistance to the business community in terms of for example the transportation and finance. We understand that there's some shifting around of some of the entities, for example customs and so on. So we just really looking at where these entities are going to and then we move to get the audience and we understand that there's a transition period here and we are trying our best to work with all these transitions. We know it will take, you know, sometime a couple of weeks and so on. So we, we are trying to work with that. [01:19:57] Speaker C: And as we wind down. Mr. Mahaes, that's a point well made. You must like the fact that Mr. Maharaj is one of your own and, and coming to take over trade and industry. But I can't let an interview with you pass without asking you about the refinery. How critical is Tobago gets That back up and operational and whether or not it's feasible. And whether or not it's feasible. [01:20:25] Speaker D: Yeah, good. So we think it's an important step and as you speak about feasibility, obviously the due diligence would be done and it may have already been done because it is not something that you will come in and just look at and see this is what is going to happen. I am fairly certain that due diligence would have already been in the making. And it's something that is important, is not just about employment, but rather about the refinery itself, the operations and processing of the fuel of the products and earning foreign exchange and so on as well. [01:21:10] Speaker B: All right, well, with that being said this morning. [01:21:14] Speaker D: If you, if you. [01:21:15] Speaker B: Go ahead, go ahead quickly. [01:21:16] Speaker D: I just wanted to add to not just not the refinery, but just a small part to let you know that we are actively involved as the Cuva Chamber in putting forward things or programs or membership and if you don't mind, I'll just say it, go ahead. So we have an up and coming tax and OPR seminar, including information on the Special Economic Zone. We have speakers coming from those areas on May 21st. And we are partnering with different entities. We are speaking to logistics and Supply Chain Expo. We are doing, we're speaking to the Supermarket Association. These are just some of the things in the background and for the membership and the community that we are moving forward with while we engage the government, the government ministries and so on, we are not just standing by and saying we are with. We are doing what we can in the background as well. [01:22:22] Speaker C: I'm very tempted to ask Davy whether we should invoice you for that little commercial pitch you did, Mr. Mahes, but that's just, I'm just, just kidding. That's very essential information. And as I toss to Davy, best of luck with your activities going forward. [01:22:40] Speaker B: And have yourself a great and wonderful day. [01:22:42] Speaker D: And thank you, thank you all for having me having the Coover Point Visas Chamber on board. We remain, as I like to say, in partnership with you all and the media in general. And we are here to work in a collaborative effort with the government, the ministries or our other chambers to take this country forward. [01:23:07] Speaker B: And I thank you for that. I'm out of time, more or less. But I wanted to ask you, how difficult was it with you with the Ministry Chamber, rather in engaging the former Trade Minister in terms of getting new initiatives on the ground for the Coover Point, Lisa's Chamber? How engaging was that previous administration. [01:23:31] Speaker D: We would have had? It was a good engagement. We Had a reasonable bit of feedback and so on from the previous minister. [01:23:42] Speaker C: And we, this was Paula Gopi Scoon. [01:23:46] Speaker D: Yes, yes, yes, yes. [01:23:49] Speaker B: All right. Well thank you very much, Mr. Mahis. [01:23:51] Speaker A: The best insight, instant feedback, accountability, the. [01:23:55] Speaker C: All new talk radio freedom 106.5. [01:24:00] Speaker B: Once again, good morning Trinidad and Tobago. It's 8:08 which is eight minutes after the or 8:00 clock in the Republic Islands of Trinidad and Tobago. I did made an error when I said we have an interview but actually it's an audio clip that I have coming down from the former police commission member on his thoughts on Hayward Green Christopher's reinstatement. You know, as often as I get that properly, you know, because Owen, too often we, we, we call it. All right, so it's Haywood Christopher. The Times people tell you it's Christopher Haywood. So according to our newspaper this morning, it is on page six it is Earla Haywood. So he would be in the maiden name and Christopher being the married name. Now, Owen digressing a bit, that is why they say to women and to men, you get married, my name you carry. You know, you see all this long iPhone. What is that? [01:24:58] Speaker C: It's a personal decision. That's what it is. [01:25:01] Speaker B: It is. But we as men, we need to put our foot down. [01:25:04] Speaker C: I, I know getting into that, I, I am leaving you on that island by yourself. [01:25:11] Speaker D: What? [01:25:12] Speaker C: You're my partner. We work in this show together. But I am, I'm leaving you. [01:25:16] Speaker B: I need backup, Owen. [01:25:17] Speaker C: No, not for me. [01:25:18] Speaker B: I need solidarity. [01:25:20] Speaker C: I, I, I will back you up in, in every other area except a battle of the sexes. [01:25:25] Speaker B: But it's not a battle of the sexes. It's just me realizing if you want to keep your maiden name, your father is no longer responsible. I am now you're married to me so you carry my name full. Stop it easier to sign too all his long name and you know we saying Christopher Heywood and his Haywood Christopher too much makes up. [01:25:40] Speaker C: I am some of my sisters on Facebook several years ago. Do you hyphenate or not? And it sparked a very, it sparked a very interesting conversation. One reason given is that a woman may have built up a career and made a name in that career and changing has all kinds of complications. [01:26:04] Speaker B: I could go with that. Yeah, I could go with that. You have your, I met you and you have your law degree. [01:26:09] Speaker C: Yeah. [01:26:10] Speaker B: Your certificates and different things. Maybe you're an artist and your name is built on that. [01:26:14] Speaker C: That's your brand. [01:26:15] Speaker B: That's your brand. [01:26:16] Speaker C: Right. [01:26:17] Speaker D: Right. [01:26:17] Speaker B: But Outside of that, you're still trying. [01:26:20] Speaker C: To draw me into this discussion. [01:26:21] Speaker B: Brother, outside of that, as a learned individual yourself, a man who has gone before me, you know, don't be scared. I got you. [01:26:29] Speaker C: I. I got you. I am not scared. I just know which battles to fight. I'm not fighting this. But that's a discussion that couples have. And it is, as you said, important to some men that their wife carries their name. And some other men are more relaxed about that. [01:26:48] Speaker B: I think it breeds clarity. We are a family. It's one. It's us. [01:26:52] Speaker D: That's it. [01:26:53] Speaker B: Full stop. What else is necessary? [01:26:55] Speaker C: So you're not in favor of hyphenation? You want change? [01:26:58] Speaker B: No, never. Change is important. There's a change in direction. Your family head has now moved from dad to husband and it moves forward. [01:27:08] Speaker C: If we're to take calls addressing this matter, I would like the public to know that my brother Davey stands alone on this question. On every other thing, I can back you up. If I see you on the street and you're on the physical threat, I will roll up my sleeves and run in for me. And run in, show my biceps. But come to your aid. [01:27:30] Speaker B: But, my dear brother, we have to unite as men in the country. Get in. We fight against the criminal elements and we want a unification of arms and armed forces. As men, we should stand up in solidarity this morning. On the morning rumble, I say to you guys, stand up in solidarity. Stand for something or you will fall for anything. Don't do it. Don't do it. Your name is Henry. Your name is Martin. That's it. Full stop. But if your name is Butch, then you're going to type. You're going to change that. You don't want to carry Butch if your name is that. [01:28:07] Speaker C: But was that a randomly selected name? [01:28:10] Speaker B: Yeah. [01:28:10] Speaker C: Okay. [01:28:10] Speaker B: This Trout. Butch. [01:28:11] Speaker C: Okay. [01:28:12] Speaker B: If your name is Butch, you carry your main name. No, nothing wrong with that. But anything else? Morris too. You name Morris. Gary could change that. 12 minutes after 8:00 clock. Good morning, Trinidad and Tobago. Let's get to that clip. I mean, it's all about the big talk in town today. Mrs. Hayward. Christopher is about to admit office. Today's her final day. Based on her previous or current contract, we have no word at the moment of an extension. We have not heard from the government side of things. As. As to what happens next, I still maintain the position, and I think, Owen, also, that it should not be a political appointment at the head of the police service. That should be done in independently. Even though we say the Police Service Commission is an independent body. Well, maybe in theory, yeah. [01:28:59] Speaker C: We do need. As a potential programming note, we do need to get somebody in here or. [01:29:06] Speaker B: Remotely to discuss with us the proper format into how this thing is done because. [01:29:14] Speaker C: And how we possibly reform it. [01:29:15] Speaker B: That's right. We need clarity and we need. There is no clear guidelines and when we do get it, it's convoluted with a set of law jargon and that kind of thing. You know, the average citizen still. I still don't have it clear. I don't know if you do. But we're still not clear as to how this police commissioner is selected because in some instances it's done quickly and in some instances it's long winded. When we had Jackie Watsky and these people coming in, it seemed to be an easy process to get them in different things we, we're not clear. I don't think the public is, is well educated on the process. And that is, and that is the key. We are not educated on the process. Let's take a call this morning before we get to that clip. Hello, Good morning. [01:30:00] Speaker E: Hey Davey. Good morning to you and your guest. [01:30:04] Speaker B: Man, that's not my guest, that's my co host. That's my, that's the co pilot in. In charge this morning with me, you. [01:30:11] Speaker E: Know Davis, you know English language. So, so one of the more difficult languages because somebody in there with you and you could use the word company co host I guess, you know all of them basically mean the same thing but just you know the, the context they are in. [01:30:26] Speaker C: I will, I will wear whatever cap you want to fit on my head. [01:30:30] Speaker E: Put all the caps so we haven't missed any. So we sure we inside. [01:30:34] Speaker B: All right. [01:30:34] Speaker E: You know I was, I want, I was dealing with that same topic that was my topic this morning. To start a bit it and this police commission, I think it's total chaos in this country because imagine after the, the, the, the judgment on what they do. I think was Monday this woman was able to walk into the office with her lawyer right then this is. She was about to await a letter but then the attorney General. Yeah, I know no hard feelings against him but he need right now to address all urgent cases that may come up in his first month of office or three months of office because that was one union office to 14 days now. Yeah, he was sworn in the Thursday after the election today the 14th year. So he barely know for two weeks. So this was a case he had to really look at earlier because look what happened there. They might have to intervene and the extension. But there's the deputy commission in place the letter going forward today. Maybe I thought maybe they might have had a little cabinet meeting about it. How they're moving forward because. Because they're going to issue the letter your mother to go man tomorrow and then what they're going to do. Yeah they're going to issue back a let down now for the the other one to come because if you issue a letter yeah they should treat the deputy, the Assistant and Ms. Ula. So when they finish issue that's a reissue that because her tenure coming there and tomorrow. So I look at the whole logical matter. [01:31:53] Speaker B: All right. [01:31:56] Speaker E: You know he happened to be the legal area but my layman look at it here now you got to reissue three letters when? Tomorrow. Tomorrow is Thursday. [01:32:04] Speaker B: Friday back again. All right, thank you very much Fast track for sharing your thoughts this morning. One person says david don't drag Oren down that rabbit hole. Another one says oren, I'm warning you, it's a trap. [01:32:19] Speaker C: I avoided the trap. [01:32:23] Speaker B: Oh my God. Another one says Davey. Davey. Oh gosh. You won't bring him in. Do you have any idea how it's done in the past? The choosing of a cop? How did we reach to this present system? I'm not sure 100 but I believe that keeping a maiden name allows for less benefits in the events of a divorce. We can ask a legal professional on this. No, I don't think that is it less benefits. I, I, I think cuz you remember sign a document you're married. [01:32:53] Speaker C: Yeah, I, I think, I think the key thing with respect to benefits is marriage is marriage. [01:32:59] Speaker B: That's it. [01:32:59] Speaker C: Right. [01:33:00] Speaker B: Yeah. And as Owen agreed. Owen, are you going to agree off air that you know what I said. [01:33:05] Speaker C: Man, man, leave me alone. [01:33:09] Speaker B: I wonder who is listening. [01:33:11] Speaker D: Hello. [01:33:11] Speaker B: Good morning David. Tell me to your guest here to my co host Orin. Yes. [01:33:16] Speaker E: I don't care what they do but. [01:33:18] Speaker F: There must be transparency. We have to have our ringside seat when it's the kind of commissioner police. [01:33:25] Speaker E: Because we had to pay them. [01:33:26] Speaker F: So whatever you do there must be transparency from start to finish. [01:33:32] Speaker B: Whatever the method I thank you. [01:33:34] Speaker F: Must be transparency for Spain. [01:33:36] Speaker B: All right. Thank you very much for the Spain. One person saying Marie, my ex wife married someone else and still uses my name. I don't really make it a problem but what do you think of that? [01:33:48] Speaker C: There's that there's that side of the coin too. And, and that is also for professional reasons. A woman might have married and taken her husband's name. They got divorced and she established herself as a professional with this name and decided to keep it. I don't know. I would have made mixed feelings about. [01:34:10] Speaker B: It slowly getting you in. I am slowly reeling you in. [01:34:15] Speaker C: So you think. So you think. [01:34:17] Speaker B: And listener, sometimes with all the current affairs and political rhetoric and things that are happening around us in Trinidad and Tobago, sometimes on the lighter side of things, we share a laugh with you guys this morning. I'm sure in the inclement weather, I'm being told it's rainy outside. We, you know, we could laugh a little bit and feel warm inside. Now let's get back to some serious matters at hand as we have that clip that we want to play for you. Davey, let the woman keep her name. I'm in the same predicament. All right, so this is an audio clip coming from former member of the Police Service Commission, Martin George, as it relates to the situation unfolding before us in real time with the commission, the head of the Police Service Commission of Trinidad and Tobago. Let's listen in. [01:35:04] Speaker A: The substantive commissioner of police at this time is Mrs. Ehler Hewitt Christopher, because she was appointed and she has a term of office which has not yet ended. So notwithstanding the fact that she had been suspended from duty by the Police Service Commission, once that suspension from duty is lifted and she's back in office, then of course, she just simply continues as the commissioner of Police, you know, so she was never removed from office as commissioner. Right. So she always retained the office of commissioner of Police, notwithstanding the events which transpired. So it was just that as commissioner, she was suspended from carrying out her duties. And therefore the Police Service Commission appointed in her stead Mr. Junior Benjamin as the acting commissioner of Police. But now that the suspension has been indicated that it would be lifted, then in those circumstances, Mrs. Harewood Christopher returns to her office and continues as commissioner of Police. Of course, her term of office is due to expire very shortly. I think it should be May 15th. And, you know, then it does indeed create a scenario where the Police Service Commission would have to decide how they want to treat with it, of course, in conjunction with the government, because in terms of the contract for officers such as Ms. Is here with Christopher is the government through the well now the Ministry of Defense, who would be the ones who would grant the new contract, if anything, and the Police Service Commission would simply issue the letter of appointment to the role of commissioner. But if it is that that term is not extended for another three year contract or, you know, whatever period, then it in those Circumstances. The Police Service Commission, of course, has to look to its merit list and then, you know, send that to the President for it to be forwarded ultimately to the Parliament for it to be voted upon. [01:37:29] Speaker C: All very clear. Not so. [01:37:35] Speaker B: So then why are we making a big fuss? She wasn't removed. She reserves the right to go back into harvest. Mm. We heard. I want to play this last piece again. There's a piece he said here. Let's take a listen then. [01:37:53] Speaker A: It does indeed create a scenario where the Police Service Commission would have to decide how they want to treat with it, or of course, in conjunction with the government. Because in terms of the contract for officers such as Mrs. Hereward Christopher, is the government through the. Well now the Ministry of Defence, who would be the ones who would grant the new contract, if anything? And the Police Service Commission would simply issue the letter of appointment to the role of Commission. [01:38:26] Speaker B: All right, so it falls on the government to grant her a renewal. A third and final extension to her contract that will then go to Parliament. [01:38:42] Speaker C: Yes. [01:38:42] Speaker B: And then move on to the President. Why is the President involved? [01:38:53] Speaker C: Because the issues involving the merit list always end up under the purview of the President. But if I. If I can wind back a little. Davey, he said if I heard him. [01:39:08] Speaker B: Correctly, we can always play it back. [01:39:10] Speaker C: No, but let me, Let me. Let me just make the point very quickly before you do, and by all means do so. It falls under the purview of the Ministry of Defense. Remember, national. National security has been restructured. The Minister of Defense is the Honorable Wayne Sturge. [01:39:25] Speaker B: Yes. [01:39:26] Speaker C: And he's a lawyer. Thank goodness for that because there are so many legal tangles to this. It. It seems to me that the Minister of Defense has to. [01:39:39] Speaker B: No, homeland. Homeland Security, not defense. [01:39:41] Speaker C: I think I heard him say Minister of Defense. [01:39:44] Speaker B: Defense has to do with police or does I. I. Defense Force. [01:39:50] Speaker C: Yeah. [01:39:50] Speaker B: Correct. [01:39:51] Speaker C: But I. But I thought I heard him say. [01:39:54] Speaker B: Listen again. [01:39:55] Speaker C: Yeah, I thought I heard him say the Minister of Defense. And he has to be the person signing off on the extension. Which in my mind raises another question. Does. Does an extension necessarily have. Have to be for a. A full three year term? Or is there discretion? Or does discretion exist to. To vary that for operational reasons? I would like. I would love for somebody to come into our studios to sit down and for us to. To go through the procedures. But let's play the clip. [01:40:34] Speaker B: Let's play it one more time because. [01:40:35] Speaker C: I thought I heard him say to. [01:40:37] Speaker B: Me that the decision rests with the Minister of Defence. [01:40:40] Speaker A: Let's hear the Commissioner of Police at this time is Mrs. Ehler Herod Christopher, because she was appointed and she has a term of office which has not yet ended. So notwithstanding the fact that she had been suspended from duty by the Police Service Commission, once that suspension from duty is lifted and she's back in office, then of course she just simply continues as the Commissioner of Police, you know, so she was never removed from office as Commissioner. Right. So she always retained the office of Commissioner of Police, notwithstanding the events which transpired. So it was just that as Commissioner she was suspended from carrying out her duties and therefore the Police Service Commission appointed in her stead Mr. Junior Benjamin as the Acting Commissioner of Police. But now that the suspension has been indicated that it would be lifted, then in those circumstances, Mrs. Hereward Christopher returns to her office and continues as Commissioner of Police. Of course, her term of office is due to expire very shortly. I think it should be May 15th. And you know, then it does indeed create a scenario where the Police Service Commission would have to decide how they want to treat with it, of course, in conjunction with the government, because in terms of the contract for officers such as. Ms. Here with Christopher is the government through the, well now the Ministry of Defence, who would be the ones who would grant the new contract? If anything, he said Defense and the Police Service Commission would simply issue the letter of appointment to the role of Commissioner. But if it is that that term is not extended for another three year contract or, you know, whatever period, then it, in those circumstances, the Police Service Commission of course, has to look to its merit list and then, you know, send that to the President for it to be forwarded ultimately to the parliament for it to be voted upon. [01:43:00] Speaker B: Now, I have a problem with the defense. It's supposed to be Homeland, which is Roger Alexander. You would think so, because a text message coming to me should be Homeland Defense speaks to a different aspect within the national security diaspora. Now the Commissioner of Police, upon reinstatement and vindication by the courts, met and visited the office of the Minister of Homeland Security, her former subordinate, now her boss, and he described the meeting as cordial, no ill will, no malice being held between them. Water under the bridge. She also described it. I'm a professional. When asked about stuff like DCP Suzette Martin and any animosity, she said, I don't know if the lady have any towards me, but I have none towards her. You know, we can make light of the situation, but I think Defense, I, I am not certain if that was. [01:43:59] Speaker C: A, if he misspoke, if he Misspoke. [01:44:01] Speaker B: On that issue and it should be Homeland Security because she didn't meet with the homeland with the Defense Minister she met with Homeland Security because he is internal while Defense is external. [01:44:13] Speaker C: That makes sense to me so maybe. [01:44:16] Speaker B: I would say a typo, maybe he misspoke and it should be Homeland and not Defense. But hey we not in the position so we go in by what Martin would have said. Right, but it makes more sense and not only that, it's also coupled with the fact that she went to and paid a courtesy call to the Minister of Homeland. [01:44:39] Speaker C: Her line minister. [01:44:40] Speaker B: Her line, her supposed line minister. [01:44:43] Speaker C: Right. [01:44:43] Speaker B: She had a meeting with with him upon reinstatement. So Defense I think, I think it could be a slight error but I mean making light of the situation this morning before we take a commercial break and then invite your folks calls in two things came up. One, what you said about the customer service just sending an apology to WASA customer service reps I discuss them every week because for no water they never have information so I want to apologize to the WASA reps this morning and that's coming from one of our texters this morning and I believe that has to do with what we mentioned about. [01:45:24] Speaker C: Dox with them don't give customer service reps a hard time they are, they're adding our our frustrations but they're really not responsible for the state of things Having said that they you they should have information they should give you. [01:45:38] Speaker B: Hello, good morning Good morning Davy and. [01:45:40] Speaker F: Good morning to your co host There you go two government agencies WASA and. [01:45:48] Speaker C: I heard you talk about. [01:45:52] Speaker B: I'm hear. [01:45:55] Speaker F: Service Davy it is much cheaper than PSTT and for for WhatsApp we have a schedule we just get the water on the schedule days sometime it come late in the night but you see. [01:46:12] Speaker C: Before the election Daisy. [01:46:14] Speaker F: Oh God boy everybody everyday water pumping. [01:46:17] Speaker B: In line pressure busting When I whole day and whole night a good wet my plant all right hello quickly before the break. [01:46:31] Speaker E: Hello hello again Good morning Davy. [01:46:34] Speaker B: Good morning to you Kareem. [01:46:35] Speaker E: Good morning to your guest Mr. Gordon. Davy, quickly here I have repeated exactly what attorney Mr. George have said I think he's FC as well in terms of what he would have stated. The commissioner's appointment was not revoked There was no revocation of that indeed it was suspended. Now if you look at section 122 of the Constitution6 it gives clear indication for the police service Commission to terminate the contract of deputy Commissioner Police and commissioners of police the question is here and one have to ask what Is the key back with the Police Service Commission in terms of reinstating the substantive commission of police because you do have that powers. Now interestingly, Mr. George would have stated that the contract lies with the government, meaning that the government will have to go back to Parliament to renew the contract. And it is a one year. Mr. Gordon wasn't sure the contract is a one year contract that can be given. So you have up to three years after you said one two. This will be her third. If, if she is given the opportunity, it will be true. So the contract runs for 12 months. [01:47:47] Speaker B: If you're with me, I'm with you. [01:47:48] Speaker E: Yes. So the contract runs for 12 months and of course the port of commissioner has to be frequent before there's a long bureaucratic process before Police Service Commission can go looking for somebody. Now also in the Police Service Commission, if you look at the act, it gives them the powers to install somebody to manage the police service. So it will be interesting to see how things goes in terms of how they will use utilize session 123 of the Constitution. There is no need for parliament involvement. I have made that specifically clear. I don't know why Eric and Rowley Jr. Haven't managed to with that. There is no need. I want to be clear again. There is no need for the parliament to get involved to reinstate the substantive commissioner of police. Now I will not call again, David, so I will just say this now. One of the issues we could. One of the things that we can do to augment the challenges that we face with it is having a referendum for the selection of a commissioner of police. [01:48:52] Speaker C: Absolutely. I'm 100% with that. [01:48:55] Speaker E: Yeah, I'm in agreement. I always say that let contract run for a three year or four year period. Let the people, the populace be the people to give the appraisal in terms of the commissioner's performance. [01:49:07] Speaker C: So. [01:49:07] Speaker E: Meaning that you set up a buddy. We have it with the police service, but it takes so long to send out information to us, the police service. If you look at the app they have the police commission have the power to review the performance of the commissioner of police. But it takes so long to tell us in terms of what barometer 51%, 60%, 75%. I mean it's for them in terms of sharing the information with the populace. And that should not be. You're supposed to be able to share that information with some alacrity with the populace. You know, this commission of police have managed to perform well, have been efficient and then in turn you would Say we will continue with the contract. If you look at the referendum system now, the populist would say we will select so and so we know that they are going to work for specific time frame of one year to three years or three to four years and we will know if they are performing based on the people who are under the commission who will tell us. [01:50:06] Speaker C: So I have to say that I agreed in haste. I thought the referendum was with respect to reforming the process, not to having a public vote over the selection. Why, why I would like to see the process reformed is, is if we take our minds back to how Gary Griffith was, was succeeded. There are people appear to be a lot of dissatisfaction with the process and, and a lack of, of clarity over, over what was procedurally correct and what was not procedurally correct. [01:50:50] Speaker E: Not necessarily, you know, because it doesn't mean that the person who topped the list, the government is going to pick that person. [01:50:55] Speaker C: Yeah, I know, I know, but, but. [01:50:56] Speaker E: The government have the right to reject. [01:50:58] Speaker C: Yeah, but, but there, there's, there was a lack, there was a lack of, of clarity and there was a suggestion that there were other things operating in the background to which we were not privy that operated against the sitting police commissioner. [01:51:12] Speaker E: And I know you hasten to my point, but if a referendum you have and you strengthen the process, what does it mean that individuals will say that and somebody who selected a part of the commission is not partisan. [01:51:28] Speaker C: No, good point, good point, good point. [01:51:30] Speaker B: Yeah. All right. [01:51:31] Speaker E: It doesn't change the fact. It doesn't change the fact. But, but, but in terms of the people who are there, if you look at the commission construct right now, the sole power of that construct is, is on the advice of the government and that is why we are in this quagmire. This conundrum for the few days is that the, the commission should be able to tell the substantial Commissioner of Police or send that letter that directives that you are reinstated 2 o' clock on the specific day that I told you to go back to work. [01:52:06] Speaker B: Yeah. [01:52:06] Speaker E: And the reason for this delay is not being able to comprehend the act that you are part of. Because I just quote for you in the Act123 6. In terms of the sole power where the commission have. You don't have to have parliament in terms of removing a Commissioner of police, a deputy Commissioner of Police and the selection of such. The selection of such will be done via Parliament. But in terms you have the sole power to remove the commissioner police without parliamentary oversight. [01:52:34] Speaker C: Can I raise another point very quickly and I thank you for your really good contribution. There's justice and there's natural justice. The justice has been served. Natural justice would dictate to me that you, you don't get reinstated for a day. Right. Because a large part of your term of office was interrupted and the right and proper course of action would be extending the commissioner. [01:53:09] Speaker B: True. [01:53:11] Speaker E: The problem that you would have there is that you have two person in the position and that is the problem. We have. We have two persons in this position. We have the substantial and we have the acting. One is saying, I haven't been given directive. The other one is saying. [01:53:25] Speaker B: No, that's what, that's what Martin George was saying. There was no revocation. So there was a. You were holding on. [01:53:34] Speaker D: Yeah. [01:53:35] Speaker B: Look at us on the morning show. Look at a Sunday morning show. For example, Satish Mohabia would have pioneered this morning show and started it, while I would have pioneered and started the afternoon drive. It came to a situation where his health decreased and he continued to wither and battle with health conditions. He had no choice but to take himself away and try to cope with the existing health conditions that he experienced. I was charged with responsibility to head as the interim lead host of the morning show show management. Through management. Right. [01:54:12] Speaker C: Satish returned. You had to make way. [01:54:14] Speaker B: If Satish returns in the morning and says he's ready or management sees it that you know, okay, we have another hose that can replace him in the. At this time. And they send me back to the afternoon show. That's my show in the afternoon. I work three to six. That's the show that I would have pioneered and championed in the cause for a couple years. Well, so at the end of the day, similarly, there is no bureautic process where Satish has to be re interviewed and go through a policy of changing and no EJS comes back. Management indicates that this is what's going to happen. And as such. So I thank you very much. We have to take a break now, Kareem. So I thank you very much. [01:54:49] Speaker E: That's if I go. Davy, let me call again. And just as we said, management made that decision in terms of putting you on the morning. Right, Right. And that is what I'm saying. The Police Service Commission supposed to be clear by utilizing section 120 of the Constitution. [01:55:06] Speaker B: Right. [01:55:06] Speaker E: And letting the substantive Commissioner Police know, I am putting you back into that position and the acting commission will be demoted back down to DCP talk. That should be unequivocally clear. [01:55:16] Speaker C: I don't understand. [01:55:17] Speaker E: What is the conundrum about all Right. [01:55:19] Speaker B: Thank you. [01:55:20] Speaker C: Yeah. [01:55:21] Speaker B: And he makes sense. And this is what you and I have been alluding to all morning. What is all of this about? There was no revocation of her appointment. She was not fired. She was simply removed, suspended until the investigation bore fruit or came to an end. And it did. That's it. [01:55:42] Speaker C: Yeah. There's one thing that he said in departing that I want to take issue with with that the acting commissioner would be demoted again. But an acting appointment, there's no demotion. There's no. The question of the motion does not occur. [01:55:58] Speaker B: No, it doesn't. [01:55:59] Speaker C: In an acting situation, you go back to your pre. You go back to your substantive job. [01:56:02] Speaker B: Would I be demoted to the afternoon show? [01:56:04] Speaker C: No, that's not a demotion. [01:56:05] Speaker B: That's not a demotion. I go back to my substantive position where the post I held previously before joining the morning. [01:56:13] Speaker C: I mean, the acting appointment. May I? Because I, I've acted up before in, in, in. In a role in another country. The acting appointment has certain things like increased pay and stuff like that. But the, the clear understanding is when your period of acting is over, you go back down and that's it. [01:56:31] Speaker B: And I love the way you put it, acting up. [01:56:33] Speaker C: Yes. [01:56:34] Speaker B: You are acting up. And that, that happens a lot in businesses. The manager is vacating, the manager is going up. So when the manager leaves, it happened in corporate entities as well. You will be the interim manager until the manager comes back from vacation. [01:56:47] Speaker C: Right. [01:56:48] Speaker B: He or she is going off on vacation. They're entitled to vacation. Maybe medical, maybe due to pregnancy. If it's a female and she's on maternity leave and all these different things, even bereavement, and a person acts up, they are acting up, as you put it. I love that, that analogy. And with that now, and that's not an analogy as the. That fact, facts, when the person comes back into office and assumes their office. [01:57:10] Speaker C: You return to your substance. [01:57:11] Speaker B: You return to your substance. Absolute emotion. Yeah, you just go back. [01:57:15] Speaker C: So. [01:57:16] Speaker B: But I understand what the caller tried to say, and I did. We did speak on it a few moments ago about Martin, about the Minister of Homeland Security. And as I said, she did meet with him and this is what he had to say. [01:57:33] Speaker C: I keep it professional at all stage because at the end of the day, when all is said and done, you have to respect people. People have to respect you. [01:57:45] Speaker B: Rules might change, but the respect remains the same. [01:57:49] Speaker C: And I believe in that. At no stage I felt any bitterness towards Ms. Christopher. I. [01:57:57] Speaker B: And the conversation was quite good. [01:58:00] Speaker C: And I, I maintain this all the. [01:58:01] Speaker B: Time, you know, the chair you sit in. The chair you sit in is considered. [01:58:06] Speaker D: An honorable chair, but to me is the man who sits in the chair. [01:58:11] Speaker B: Is the one to bring honor to. [01:58:13] Speaker A: The chair, you see? [01:58:15] Speaker C: So I will never have an issue with. [01:58:17] Speaker B: With Ms. Christopher, no matter what the circumstances were before. Water on the debris. That time has come and gone, and that is the defense, the national. Not national security, but Minister of Homeland Security Roger Alexander. [01:58:31] Speaker C: I think he spoke well there. I give him credit for speaking well there. He's not a. My grandfather used to talk about people with great rhetorical polish. Came and took and went. He's not a Cayman took and went guy, but he's a very effective communicator. And I have a hunch he's going to surprise people and. [01:58:54] Speaker B: Which he's already started. [01:58:56] Speaker C: I have a feeling in my bones that he's a really solid pick for that position. I like how he addressed that situation. I really like how he addressed that situation. [01:59:06] Speaker B: No animosity. What? Under the bridge, the roles may have changed. Yes, but the respect is still there. [01:59:12] Speaker C: He spoke well. Give him credit for that. [01:59:15] Speaker B: I was under you at one time. I may be your boss today, but I still have mutual respect for you, Mrs. Christopher. [01:59:22] Speaker C: Yeah. [01:59:22] Speaker B: I still revere you in your position. And we are working for the betterment of one goal, which is security and safety in the country, and that's it. And this is what she had to say as well, because only. [01:59:37] Speaker C: It's only God. [01:59:39] Speaker B: So I thank God, I thank my attorneys. [01:59:42] Speaker C: I have been vindicated, which I expected in my 43 years of service. [01:59:48] Speaker B: I have never been. There's no allegations of any misconduct, be it criminal or otherwise. My service has always been with integrity. But other than that, I reserve any. [02:00:05] Speaker C: Further comment at this time. Now, you just have a couple days like him before your. Your contract comes to an end. [02:00:11] Speaker D: Do you expect him be given a third and final extension? [02:00:15] Speaker B: I expect my heavenly father to take. [02:00:19] Speaker C: Good care of me. Whatever God has in store for me. [02:00:22] Speaker B: That is what will happen. [02:00:24] Speaker D: And is there any animosity between yourself and. [02:00:27] Speaker C: She was the person who's leading the investigation. [02:00:31] Speaker B: I believe I'm. I'm a professional, rational. And no, there's no animosity. I don't know if she has any animosity, but I have none. [02:00:38] Speaker D: Do you feel it's like this was. [02:00:39] Speaker C: A witch hunter or some people are even arguing politically motivated? [02:00:45] Speaker B: No comments? I. I will not comment on that. And I feel very good when I hear her say that. I will not comment on that. And One of the things, you know, I thought I felt in this, I mean, I played a half of the clip is about a minute and 53 seconds or 58,2 minutes. There was a time when Earla was before the committee, I think Paul Richards, Dr. Paul Richards was talking with her and so forth and so forth. [02:01:05] Speaker C: Senator Paul Richards. [02:01:06] Speaker B: Senator. Senator. But he doesn't he have a doctorate? [02:01:09] Speaker C: I, I don't. [02:01:09] Speaker B: I think, I'm not sure. I could be wrong, but Senator Paul Richards. And they were having this discussion there and, you know, we made light and joke that, you know, she not answering and she fumbling and stuff. I found she spoke quite well. [02:01:21] Speaker C: I thought she looked well rested as well. But I always say, you know, I've been in the business of journalism long and I think no comment is a comment. [02:01:28] Speaker B: No comment speaks volumes. It's not what you're saying, what you did say, what we listening to. [02:01:35] Speaker C: Because, because you said no. Right? [02:01:37] Speaker B: Yeah. [02:01:37] Speaker C: And if, if, if I, if I stole your mango season. Right. If I stole your mango, you say already no comment. That means guilty as hell. I could say no. [02:01:51] Speaker B: Well. [02:01:52] Speaker C: And absolve myself. Right? [02:01:54] Speaker D: Yeah. [02:01:58] Speaker C: By lying. There's that too. Right? [02:01:59] Speaker B: Yeah. [02:01:59] Speaker C: So no comment is a mango teeth. Right. So you could, you could take that to the bank. [02:02:06] Speaker B: But what they say this morning, if I was this morning on Independence, see DCP Martin direct. I don't even know what to do that. [02:02:16] Speaker C: Yeah, I don't think so. But, but coming back to what she said, we have time to talk about. [02:02:21] Speaker B: Let's take a break and come. We take a break and be back. [02:02:24] Speaker A: The best insight, instant feedback, accountability. [02:02:28] Speaker C: The all new talk. [02:02:29] Speaker A: Rad freedom. [02:02:31] Speaker B: 106.59 minutes on the upswing to the hour of 9 o' clock this morning. Tusca Martinez comes in as we talk. Wrap things up on the morning show. You wanted to make a point just before the commercial break. [02:02:45] Speaker C: Yeah, the point that I was making was that she referred to the animosity between herself and her underling, her junior who was part of the, the process of investigating. The laugh you heard in the background was Tusca. [02:03:02] Speaker B: Right. [02:03:03] Speaker C: So. So deal with Tusca when she comes on here. No, but what I was saying was that animosity is not really the word. There's bound to be some feeling. We're human beings. Right. Somebody who used to report to you or who reports to you was part of a process that caused you great trauma. And you can tell, listening to the commissioner, that she had a hard time of was a period of great trauma. She refers to her creator on many occasions. And it was clear, as many of us do, when we have a time of great strife, we lean into God and, or religion and that sort of thing. And there's feeling and which is why I raised the question before the commercial break of Natural justice, because you can't exonerate her and bring her back for a day. Not in my book. [02:04:03] Speaker B: True that. And somebody did say it is Dr. Paul. It is Dr. Paul, as we mentioned. Yeah, I, yeah, I remembered him getting his doctorate. So his senator, the Honorable Dr. Paul Richard. And Paul is one of those persons that came a long way in Otaska. I mean, we know that from listening to Paul on radio. [02:04:20] Speaker C: He's one of us. [02:04:21] Speaker B: He's one of us. He was in the trenches. He would be on radio very early in the morning, six to nine. I remember listening to him many years ago. And Paul Richards was that guy on urban radio as well. Not just radio, but urban radio, the hype and all that was part of his daily routine. And he has transitioned really well. So he's want to look at, to, you know, to aspire to. Bobby Thomas was one of my, somebody that I, I, I wanted to follow through on and pattern after being a successful pilot captain in the BWIA when it was an airline, you know, and still being able to do journalist work and be a radio announcer. He was one of the great, yeah. [02:05:00] Speaker C: This radio business, we have our mentors, we have people we look up to and love. There's a girl there. There are numbers of girls in various parts of Trinidad who want to be the next, next Tusca Martinez. [02:05:13] Speaker B: Listen. Amen. All the estrogen in the room these days, you know, all the offices in the top land in, in the country is estrogen. You know, where's the testosterone? We had enough. [02:05:26] Speaker C: I am leaving you on that island too. Earlier he tried to draw me on the question of, of women taking their husband husband's names and I, I am not going against the sisters on that. [02:05:38] Speaker B: I don't know why that is. Why estrogen running away after showing at that kind of level and running away from the women should carry their husband's name full stop. [02:05:48] Speaker C: Owen, no comment. [02:05:54] Speaker B: Hey, with that being said, girls run the world right now in Australia, Tobago has done well. All the, the offices in the land covered by women and we say congratulations. I ain't not vexing. [02:06:03] Speaker C: That's history. [02:06:03] Speaker B: Because right here in Guardian Media we answered a woman yes, not butcher, not you. [02:06:08] Speaker C: It's not, it's, it's not news. When, when, when all the men occupy all the offices and it shouldn't be a big thing when all the offices are occupied by women. And they're also better drivers. [02:06:19] Speaker B: Nah man, you singing face. Somebody pay you what tripping is? You now say better drivers. [02:06:25] Speaker C: Wow. [02:06:25] Speaker B: Listen, listen. Backseat driving is not driving a tusk. I just want you to know that. [02:06:31] Speaker C: My, my, my better driver will you. [02:06:34] Speaker B: Get at in Guyana maybe not here. [02:06:37] Speaker C: Maybe my, my only problem with lady drivers particularly they raise your voice. The beautifully made up ones is that they don't have peripheral vision and they don't give blight. [02:06:48] Speaker B: No one that get blinded when you say better driver, pal Dolan, you walking down there by yourself. [02:06:59] Speaker C: I have lots of female relatives in front to whom I have to answer. [02:07:04] Speaker B: Okay, don't be afraid. When Tuscal last name change, we will all know. Yeah, we will know. We'll know. [02:07:12] Speaker C: Okay. [02:07:13] Speaker B: We will know. Because I still hold that. You know, I, I. You want your father's name and you want that maiden name. Let your father take care once you come in my household. That Martin will change. That Martinez will change. Remember I tell you that this morning. No, Davy, I'm not buying any drinks for you. Wait until I ask the question to ask. I ain't asked it yet. Well, you see earlier woman like to rush by as I say each and every morning. I thank you very much for joining me this morning. [02:07:42] Speaker C: I do hope it has been a. [02:07:44] Speaker B: Quite an animated congratulation conversation. [02:07:45] Speaker C: I love being in your company and in the company of. It was good this morning. [02:07:49] Speaker B: I look forward to more interactions with you in the coming days. I hope management sees us fit and we do this again in the not too distant future or soon as you know, like when we was talking about the police service commission. They should act as soon as, right? I hope management act as soon as we do more of this. There's an old saying, love at first sight is often cured by a second look. But once you fall in love with David Murray Tusca, you will never have to look again. [02:08:15] Speaker C: Blood pressures go up. [02:08:19] Speaker B: There's. I always say this every morning in departing every no is an opportunity for you to create your own. Yes. [02:08:25] Speaker C: But there's also 2am Love at first sight in the party. So. [02:08:29] Speaker B: 2Am yeah. Love at first sight? [02:08:31] Speaker C: Yeah. [02:08:31] Speaker B: What is the 2am Love any party? [02:08:35] Speaker C: It's not an impression to be trusted is what I'm saying. [02:08:39] Speaker B: Tell Tusca that. [02:08:40] Speaker C: Right. [02:08:40] Speaker B: No 2am no drink, nothing. Gentlemen, let me ask, would you buy me a drink? Tusca? [02:08:45] Speaker D: No. [02:08:46] Speaker B: Again, I will find an opportunity to create my own. Yes. With that being said, it's a wrap for us until the next one. When you miss us, the testosterone in the room, we're gone. [02:08:55] Speaker A: The best insight, instant feedback, accountability. [02:08:59] Speaker C: The all new Talk Radio Freedom 106.5.