WORLD DAY AGAINST CHILD LABOR

[00:00:01] Speaker A: The best insight, instant feedback, accountability. [00:00:04] Speaker B: The all new Talk Radio Freedom 106.5. Now we turn our attention as we celebrate the. Again, I think it's children labor against child. World Day against child labor. Let me see which mic you on there. Go ahead. [00:00:23] Speaker A: World Day against child labor. [00:00:25] Speaker B: So is it Javed? [00:00:26] Speaker A: Is it Javid Abdul? [00:00:27] Speaker B: Javid Abdul, welcome. And Natasha. [00:00:28] Speaker C: Natasha. [00:00:29] Speaker B: All right, brilliant. Welcome, guys. Welcome, guys. So let's talk a little bit quickly. What is this day about? Let's start with that question. [00:00:36] Speaker A: Right. Well, this has been a day that was brought about by the UN that seeks to prevent child labor across the world. It's a issue that we saw that's still happening in 2025. And they try to bring awareness as to why this is not a proper practice in. In 2025. [00:00:56] Speaker B: A proper practice. And you all come from the Children's Authority of Trinidad and Tobago. I just wanted to let my listeners know I was hustling. I had something I was dealing with outside. And now we're back. All right, so the significance of World Labor Day. World Day against child labor. You just alluded to what that is. So let's talk about what is child labor? [00:01:14] Speaker C: Okay. [00:01:15] Speaker B: To get people to understand the true consensus. [00:01:17] Speaker C: Yes. Well, it's any work, actually. It comes from the UN Convention again, for the rights of the child. A child is the. Is to be protected from economic exploitation and from performing any work that is likely to be hazardous or to interfere with the child's education or to be harmful to the child's health or physical, mental, spiritual, moral or social development. So that's a mouthful, but that's what child labor is. Any economic exploitation. [00:01:46] Speaker B: I want you to repeat some of the. You talked about it just now. Just repeat it for me again. [00:01:50] Speaker C: Sure. Child. A child according to the UN Convention on the Rights of the Child. A child is the. Is to be protected from economic exploitation and from performing any work that is likely to be hazardous or to interfere with the child's education or to be harmful to the child's health or physical, mental, spiritual, moral or social development. [00:02:13] Speaker B: I mean, that applies to big people, too. [00:02:15] Speaker C: Yeah. [00:02:16] Speaker B: I mean, there's a reason, the reason I ask you to repeat because I wanted to not be misconstrued between child labor and chores. [00:02:23] Speaker C: Yes, yes, yes. [00:02:24] Speaker A: So that's why it's also important to know that not all work done by children is classified as child labor. [00:02:30] Speaker B: Exactly. And I'm happy that. I mean, we have our stipulated question that we want to cover this morning quickly, before the interview concludes. But let's reiterate on that point between child labor and chores that parent give children home and give them what is known as an allowance. So you might say, my son is telling me last night because, you know, we have these conversations. Well, dad, you know, I did so, so, so, so, so. And answer this right? Checked it up. He said, I have $30 for him because he got some questions right? And he went in the meeting, he answered the questions and he was that he answered because I did tell him $10 for every question he got. You know, so I, I have 30 I'm owing. But the other brother was like, you know what, Daddy, you have us working. Are we not children? So I have to work in this house and do this. And I'm saying to myself, pal, there's a difference between work and we had to do chores, you know, So I want you to reiterate and identify that very quickly. [00:03:23] Speaker A: First off, $30. It seems that they got a steal, a steal of a date. [00:03:28] Speaker B: $10 a question. [00:03:29] Speaker C: Dollars an hour. [00:03:30] Speaker B: No, $10 for question. He answered. He was in a meeting and he answered the. He answered at least three times and he was correct. So I told him for every comment you made that is accurate, 3 by 10. [00:03:41] Speaker A: So depending on the situation, you can see that it can be teaching a child responsibility depending on the application. In that instance, it may not be viewed as child labor or something harmful because it did not depriv the deprive. Sorry, the child of education. No, he was still allowed to go to school. [00:04:01] Speaker B: Of course he. [00:04:02] Speaker A: Whenever he was supposed to be in school, he was in school. Right. It did not affair with his childhood. His ability to play, his ability to make decisions. He entered into that agreement with you willfully. [00:04:16] Speaker B: Yes. [00:04:17] Speaker A: You didn't force him to do it. You didn't threaten him with anything and it did not affect him mentally, physically, socially or morally. [00:04:25] Speaker C: Yes, according to. It has to be hazardous to health. Wasn't physical. He wasn't in physical, mental. He was in mental danger, spiritual, moral or social. He was not harmed. [00:04:38] Speaker B: And I am grateful that you all both explained that. So parents child making up the bed. Or you said you have, you have these assigned chores. If you do this, you have your allowance at the end of the week. That is not payment and child labor. That is teaching them responsibility. Take out the garbage, wash the dishes. You didn't have them on the hot stove cooking unless you're in a teaching moment. And I'm happy that you mentioned that Supervision. [00:05:00] Speaker A: Correct? [00:05:01] Speaker B: Right. So would it be illegal for a child to assist the family in a family business. Business. [00:05:05] Speaker C: Now, no. [00:05:08] Speaker A: The short answer is no. However, again, it's the application. The child cannot be assisting in in the family's business during school time. All right, school time, meaning that there's school, active school, and the child is at home in the business performing duties. Now, I know that that brings me to another point where a parent might say sometimes when we are interviewing the family, that the child has to work so that they can provide food or assist the family. That in itself is something illegal and I know Ms. Ramsey could speak to that. [00:05:45] Speaker C: Ramsden. [00:05:45] Speaker A: Ramsden. [00:05:46] Speaker C: That's true. Well, according to the education act, between eight, compulsory school age is between six and 12. So between six years old and 12 years old, that's compulsory school age and no child can be admitted. Well, school time according to the act is 8am to 3.30pm so between the hours of 8am and 3.30pm, no child of compulsory school age ought to be on the street selling, helping in a family business. And then they have other things in the act, in the cinema, in a betting place. Can't send them down by the Playwee man to buy lotto for you. Cat Carbina. Liquor store. Right, so the hours are for all of Trinidad, 8 to 3:30. Any child between 6 to 12 cannot be need to be in school 6 and 12. 6 and 12. [00:06:41] Speaker B: So that is from infants to SCA level. [00:06:43] Speaker C: Yes, and actually in the Children's Act, a child under the age of 16 shall not be employed or work in any public or private undertaking other than an undertaking owned and controlled by members of the same family. So put those two together. You can work in a family business. This is to answer your question, you can work in a family business, but not between the hours of 8 to. [00:07:11] Speaker B: 3Pm and that is for children under. [00:07:14] Speaker C: 16 and that's the children's access under 16. But the compulsory school age is 6 to 12. [00:07:22] Speaker B: But we have school and beyond 12. [00:07:24] Speaker C: I know, I know, but compulsory school. [00:07:27] Speaker B: Because after 12 years in bound to go secondary school, the act. Not that you have a post primary system. [00:07:32] Speaker A: No, not, not that apart from the legal parameters, we do recognize that there are children not academically inclined and usually this would come out around 12 to 14. [00:07:44] Speaker B: Noted. [00:07:45] Speaker A: However, apart from academic standpoint, there are other vocational things or whatever the child may be inclined to that is recommended that the child is enrolled in and engaged. But it's not compulsory. But that would be best because you could imagine absence of an education or some sort of skill, it will just exacerbate the situation. And make you have to work harder for the rest of your life. [00:08:11] Speaker C: Yes. And actually those things, javelin are accepted in the children's Act. So tech work, you know, or training that a school will give or that kind of technical vocational, it is exempted under the act. [00:08:25] Speaker B: Interesting. And I'm very happy that you mentioned that because. What about, what about during the vocation? Now I just want clarification for our listeners. Ole, permit me please. We have a schedule, but I just have to. [00:08:38] Speaker A: That's why we're here, right? [00:08:39] Speaker B: I have to ask because I, I can. I don't want to sell nobody, but at the age of my first job, I probably was about 15, 16, thereabouts. And I remember during the school vacation I would have gotten a job as a boy, you know, one of those jobs that we just do. I don't know. Let me see if only you can figure it out. [00:08:58] Speaker C: Park groceries. [00:08:59] Speaker B: Oh, there you go. In a supermarket. In a supermarket at 15 years. And I, I was, I was told by the employers at the time I was one of the first and only young men that would have served, listed and seeked a job or employment during the vacation that came in there like your good self, well dressed, with a shirt and a tie as the family I grew up in. So I went there, I was given a job here immediately. Of course I was exploited a little better because my father to step in and say listen, this money not equated with this. But he tried to play it off well, you know his child. But don't even go down that road. But still I and that supermarket owner are best friends today. I remember when I got into the world of media. I wrote a commercial, I produced an ad for him, did a jingle frame and we still even sponsor some of my shows in previous stations and we still do good business. But is it okay for a 50, 14, 15 year old? [00:09:48] Speaker C: No, it isn't. Guess what? According to the Children act he is liable to a fine of $20,000 and to imprisonment for one year. [00:09:57] Speaker B: Good thing I ain't calling my name. Good thing. [00:09:59] Speaker A: Boy, you want to. [00:10:00] Speaker B: No, no, no, no, no. I call him that is a little while back. I can't do that. I think this will market lease out today to some Chinese people now. So he no longer in business. I think he went to Canada. [00:10:10] Speaker C: Says under 16. No child under the age of 16. That's it. [00:10:15] Speaker B: So 14, 15 year olds. [00:10:17] Speaker C: No, six even 16 and beyond. Beyond 16 and beyond. [00:10:21] Speaker B: All right, so it's not okay to have a summer job at 15 and. [00:10:25] Speaker C: Lower unless it falls in one of the exceptions, tech walk training, you know that kind of thing. Yes, that's tech voc. [00:10:35] Speaker B: You can work with a mason if. [00:10:36] Speaker A: That'S your passion and that's your line of study. [00:10:39] Speaker C: Education. It has to fall under the payers though. [00:10:44] Speaker B: I just want to know if we don't call it a salary because my I tell my son, I say you want to go and learn to fix cars going look, this mechanic auto place as a Apprentice. You are 15 years, you're 14 15. School clothes go and take a little thing. [00:10:58] Speaker C: But it has to be 14 and over. It's a child at least 14 years of age. [00:11:01] Speaker B: So 1415 could do it. 14, 15 and get a stipend if. [00:11:05] Speaker C: It'S, if it's one of. [00:11:06] Speaker A: Not a job. [00:11:07] Speaker B: Not a job. So you're here for training and education, learning about the craft and you're paid a sip and something to sustain a little something in your hand. [00:11:17] Speaker A: Correct. [00:11:17] Speaker B: Okay. But not a salary. We can't pull it as salary. [00:11:20] Speaker A: No. This is not your full time job. This is not your means of sustaining yourself. [00:11:24] Speaker B: Nice. So good. So let's talk about what it looks like in Trinidad and Tobago and give us some examples. [00:11:30] Speaker A: Right. Child labor in Trinidad and Tobago, thankfully we don't. At the children's authority we don't receive many instances of child labor. However, we still do and, and that is something that we still need to work on. All right. And definitely it's not helping children to have them on the, on the roads because usually the reports we would get is that they are selling on the street corner, they're selling on the highways, they they assisting their parents to do these types of jobs. We would sometimes see it in our local setting, in an agriculture setting. So they're working on the family farm, on their plantation, they sell on the sides of the streets, that sort of thing. And again, we want to let it be known that this should not be the child's main form of sustenance. All right. Parents still have a role under our law and socially under the UN Convention rights of the child. The parents still have a role and responsibility to provide for this child. So the child has to agree to it and must not be taken away from his education, his or her education. It must not be putting in any harm. It must not be taken away from his or her will to play or to do something recreational. It must not be put in her, put him or her in harm's way or in danger or at any sort of risk. And that is the way that it should be planned and carried forward. [00:13:05] Speaker B: A question coming from one of our texters is when did the act come into effect and what year? If you all have that information, Lord. [00:13:12] Speaker C: I could tell them the reference is chapter 4601 and I'm not too sure when it was last updated, when it was last amended. No. Okay, there is 2024. [00:13:22] Speaker B: 2024 was last am. Okay, and we could look more into that. Now. What should the national community do when they see a child supposedly or allegedly working during school hours? [00:13:35] Speaker C: Yes. [00:13:36] Speaker B: When a child should be in school. [00:13:37] Speaker C: Who looks to be the compulsory school age. [00:13:41] Speaker B: Right. So you walk into a supermarket and you notice this person in your backpacking. You come a couple days and you're buying your stuff, but you notice they have this boy packing and he should be in school. Because we're not stupid. We could tell ages. What could the community, national community do? [00:13:56] Speaker A: Definitely. This reminds me of a situation one of our colleagues was sharing recently where she had some work being done at home. And during one of the days when the persons came to do whatever work at her home, she noticed this young boy with them. And I mean, you could tell the size, the height, the way the person is operating, that this is a child. [00:14:17] Speaker C: The mother's milk, not an adult mother's milk on the face. [00:14:20] Speaker A: Yeah, you could tell. And the important thing I want the public to understand and know is they as well have a responsibility, ask questions. Don't just turn a blind eye when you see things like this happening. If you notice that there's a child being employed somewhere or doing some sort of work and you know that it's during the week, it's during school hours, at least make some initial inquiries, find out 99-66. Apart from that, before we even reach to all of that, at least speak up. Ask the, the person that you see, the child that is employed with or working in, why is this child not in school? Why. Why do you have this child doing work here? And see what response you get. Because sometimes it might be, this is my son, he don't have school today, so he just helping me here today. Now you, it could be you go one step further and ask what school is he going to. Maybe you could make a call to the school and say, I understand that there's no school today and find out for yourself. [00:15:19] Speaker B: No, you're talking about a society that we exist in nowhere. Right. You could imagine asking some ignorant parents, well, or the person come to do job and why you minding my business? [00:15:29] Speaker A: No, you don't go asking like that. No, you're asking a nice manner. You don't ask directly. [00:15:34] Speaker C: He can't work. You know, he seems to be. If they don't answer, they want the money. People coming to do the service. Do you want the money? So I bet you they'll answer. [00:15:42] Speaker B: So. [00:15:43] Speaker C: Yeah, because if you say well then you can't do the work inside of here. They'll start to answer quick. [00:15:48] Speaker A: Or if you think that it will cause some sort of troubles, you don't probe any further. You know where they are coming from. And now there are agencies that you could call to follow up on your behalf. [00:15:59] Speaker B: Well, that was my next question. [00:16:02] Speaker A: The children's authority. Our hotline is 996 and somebody will go out and investigate the circumstances. All right. [00:16:11] Speaker C: Javet works in the investigative. [00:16:13] Speaker A: Right. Somebody like me will go out and investigate the circumstances around Java. [00:16:17] Speaker B: Look like when he reach out, you see Javid face. You're begging. You're looking to offer Javid a banana. You want some mangoes? I had some starch, boy. Because you don't see trouble. Javid is looking like that kind of police officer. [00:16:30] Speaker A: Please, I hope not. [00:16:31] Speaker B: You do, you do. Javid had that kind of green eyed, bright eyed, bushy tail police officer that now comes out the academy Javad look like if you meet him on the street, he will give you a ticket for sure. Yeah, he's smiling now. So I see that difference. But he's smiling now. But I see that. But you know, you had to be serious about these things. [00:16:55] Speaker C: Now besides996. [00:16:56] Speaker A: Beside996 you can even reach out to the. The labor inspectorate department. [00:17:01] Speaker B: Beautiful. [00:17:02] Speaker A: All right. Also parents who are thinking that the children must be employed to assist with. With maintenance of the family. [00:17:10] Speaker B: Well, that was question number eight. I was getting to. Okay, now the reason why I ask you this question. My late father experienced this and a lot of persons the older ones would. You would hear this conversation. What this, this line I wouldn't give you here now single mother. My grandmother at the time and my father had younger siblings and had to leave school at a particular age in order to help his mother to sustain the family. So we hear that from time to time where the eldest sibling will have to assist with mommy as a single mom. Mommy struggling to meet ends meet. And you know what? I wash car in a little car wash and make some money to bring food on the table. What can persons do in instances like this? What should caregivers and parents do when they feel that children need to help with putting food on the table. [00:17:59] Speaker C: Well, let me just say before Javed Answ the law is the law. And as we know, ignorance of the law is ignorance. [00:18:05] Speaker B: There's no excuse. [00:18:06] Speaker C: And the we just said what are the parameters of the law? So what is compulsory school age? What are the hours of school and what can be deemed to be an apprenticeship? There's some little leeway there from 14 over, depending on specific circumstances. But a parent too. So I just told you how your employer could have been fined 20,000. A parent under the Children act can be charged, it says a parent, guardian or person with responsibility for a child who conduces to the employment of a child under the age of 16 years through willful default or by habitually neglecting to exercise due care. So even if you don't know he working or she working, but you're not careful enough to see where your child going, they're leaving home where you're going. Right. You're still liable under the law for a fine summary conviction to a fine of $10,000. That's a lot. [00:19:02] Speaker B: And this go for season. [00:19:04] Speaker C: And not only that you're working to contribute because you might be, you know, a little needing the money so you can't afford the 10,000. So better you adhere to the law rather than expose yourself to pay 10,000. [00:19:16] Speaker B: Because if the parent is sick, you know, suffering from a disability and that happens in households, you know, mommy have a. Mommy disabled, either schizophrenia, a wheelchair bound, that kind of thing. And the family is on disability from the government. A grant. [00:19:34] Speaker C: Yes. [00:19:34] Speaker B: That grant isn't. [00:19:35] Speaker C: It's not enough. It's 2,000, $2,000 a month sustain the. [00:19:39] Speaker B: Whole house and you have about the mother have three children or even one child. Yeah, that's burdensome. So the child feels now, you know, I had to help mommy at some juncture by a landlord. The apartment might be a one room. It's so many different circumstances. [00:19:54] Speaker C: So true. [00:19:55] Speaker B: But as you mentioned, the law is the. Also there is actually no gray area or leeway when it comes to the Children's Authority act that can at least. [00:20:02] Speaker C: The Children Act. [00:20:03] Speaker B: The Children's Act. Sorry, not the authority. The Children's act that can give a leeway. This is a zero tolerance approach. [00:20:09] Speaker C: Discussions with social Services, Ministry of Social Services to see what other grants may be available. [00:20:16] Speaker A: Right. So in an instance like that, the public needs to understand sometimes the circumstances are just not ideal. And there are agencies apart from Children's Authority that is there to lend and aid assistance to matters like this. So for instance, there's the Ministry of people and social development and family services. They could assess the family to see what grants they may be applicable to apply for or what could assist them. [00:20:45] Speaker C: Yeah, beyond the disability. [00:20:47] Speaker A: Beyond the disability, maybe. [00:20:49] Speaker C: Yes. Other grants. [00:20:50] Speaker A: Right. Even in a community setting, I know there's like local government, counselors, there's the member of parliament that you could also approach to see what assistance can be given. So it's not that parents or caregivers or guardians, you throw up your hand in the air and you say this is my circumstance. I just accept it. [00:21:07] Speaker C: They're not alone. Community groups, church groups, you know, there. [00:21:10] Speaker A: Are other things, non governmental organizations, the community church. There are a lot of places that you could go to get some sort of assistance. But it's also important to know that there can't be any learned helplessness. You also need to come out of it. You need to do things to make yourself come out of a situation like that. [00:21:31] Speaker B: How prevalent is child labor in Trinidad and Tobago? [00:21:33] Speaker C: Is it highly unwise question that I think is best placed with the Ministry of Labor. As a matter of fact, I was recently on the National Steering Committee for the Prevention and Elimination of Child labor. And those statistics are readily available but don't really reside with cat. We know we can tell you what is reported to Kat, you know, but that could be a fraction of what is actually out there. [00:21:57] Speaker B: And that might be. That might be a very good answer to give me. But is it highly reported? Are you all well? [00:22:02] Speaker C: Javed said no, not many. [00:22:03] Speaker B: Not many. [00:22:04] Speaker C: No. We do get reports of children selling like by ue and so how do. [00:22:08] Speaker B: We address those issues with children selling? As you mentioned on the side, Javet. [00:22:12] Speaker C: Goes with his police self and goes and investigates. [00:22:14] Speaker A: So yes, so a case management officer will be assigned. They will go out, invest in, they will interview the children, they'll interview the persons who care they are in. We will try to get demographic information, where they live, what school they go to. And we follow up at all of these places again to make sure that they are not out there selling during school time. They are in school, they are attending school. And from my knowledge, the amount of reports we get of child labor, it's not very much in compared to the other reports that we get. However, we do see an increase in the in the migrant children and the migrant population. Right. Because they are not in school and it's very difficult for them to get some sort of stable employment and to track them. [00:23:06] Speaker B: All right, so we have been chatting today's topic World Day against Child labor with Javid Abdul Team leader, Investigation and Investigative Unit at the Children's Authority. And Lami Ramsden, General Manager of Legal Services and General Counsel, Children's Authority. In conclusion, guys, could we reiterate once again the difference between parents offering their children an allowance and assigning them chores as opposed to child labor? Don't want people to have any misconception that if you give your children chores at home, it tantamons to you're working because I'm exchanging money for you doing this particular task. Let's please identify those things again. [00:23:47] Speaker C: As a parent of three children, children have to contribute to the household. It's a family. You have to contribute. There's a song about nine months. I bore you in my womb for nine months. You have to wash your ears. You have to take on it, right? Anyway, but according to the UN Convention, a child child labors where the child is being economically exploited and the exploitation is hazardous or interferes with the child's education or harmful to the child's health or physical, mental, spiritual, moral or social development. [00:24:22] Speaker B: I'm happy that spiritual is in there because we do have a spiritual responsibility to God when we are in the care of our children, you know, so that is something very, very, I think. I mean, I mean, look, when we look at what's happening in the schools these days, it's an absence of religious instructions. What we can known as ri. [00:24:39] Speaker C: Yes. [00:24:40] Speaker B: You know, you're wondering what's going on and the type of fights that you see happening now. The talk on the table is arrest them, prosecute them, expel them. Right. But when you, when you serve expulsion, at least the prime minister is now saying that she wants to still get them educated. [00:24:54] Speaker C: Yes. Because when you're expelled from school, now you're on the streets, where you going? What you doing? [00:24:57] Speaker B: So you must be confined somewhere where you could learn. But I want to put you among other bullies like yourself, try and bully the bully because you're interfering with children who wants to learn freely. [00:25:08] Speaker C: Yeah. [00:25:09] Speaker B: And you. So if you is a bully in one school, use a bully. Eyes are bully. And the three of us reach in this classroom to learn. Now, who is he really? [00:25:17] Speaker A: You see why I go to the gym? [00:25:21] Speaker B: Who bullying who? Boy, you know, and guys, I mean, children's labor in Trinidad and Tobago. How are you all treating finally with the migrants issue at this? But I mean, they are subjected to our laws in this country on our. On our land. How are you all treating with those issues? [00:25:37] Speaker A: We treat with them the same way we treat with our people, the same rule Case management process. It's the same. [00:25:45] Speaker B: Have you all, and this is off the cuff, had the opportunity or the unfortunate circumstance of sending people back to Venezuela when they are caught with this child labor? [00:25:54] Speaker A: That's not something we do. There's the Counter Trafficking Unit of the Trinidad and Tobago Police Service. They together with immigration and the court makes that decision. [00:26:04] Speaker C: Embassy. They repatriate. [00:26:05] Speaker A: Yeah. If they're Venezuelan. [00:26:06] Speaker B: If they need to, yes. [00:26:08] Speaker C: There's a difference between child labor and sexual exploitation. So if they fall under two different acts, one is trafficking. Dealt with the Counter Trafficking Unit. And this is just labor. Labor. Economic. Yes. [00:26:22] Speaker B: Different. [00:26:22] Speaker C: Economic means sexual. Yes. [00:26:24] Speaker B: And. Okay, okay. And the ages again, just remind our. [00:26:28] Speaker C: Listening audience, any child under 16 years old shall not be involved in child labor. [00:26:35] Speaker B: So give me the act from 6 to 12. [00:26:37] Speaker C: From 6 to 12, that's the education Act, Compulsory school age and the Child Children Act. Any child under the age of 16 shall not be employed in work unless it's a family business or if you're over 14, apprenticeship and those kinds of things. [00:26:52] Speaker B: So 14 and 15. Apprenticeship. [00:26:54] Speaker C: Yes. [00:26:54] Speaker B: 16 and above. But in the laws of Republic of this country, 18 is considered an adult. Anything beyond that, you're still a child Between. All right, so between 16 to 18 you are still considered 16 and 17. You are a child. But can you work? [00:27:09] Speaker C: Yes. As an apprentice. [00:27:11] Speaker B: Not. Because apprenticeship is 14. 15. As. [00:27:16] Speaker C: Yeah. And 16. So anything like 14 and over 14. Yes. And it's like a program of guidance or orientation designed to facilitate a choice of an occupation so you can work in something where you might be choosing. [00:27:31] Speaker A: So that we are not confused and everybody could get it as clear as daylight. If a child has to choose between survival and education, you know that it's illegal and you should not be doing it. [00:27:43] Speaker B: So don't use survival as a, as a. As an excuse that no charge me. Don't bring me before the courts because I needed to survive. There are other ways to get this done. And I like the fact that you mentioned the churches and the NGOs. Reach out to go to social services. Beg, plead, cry. [00:28:00] Speaker C: But don't break the law. [00:28:01] Speaker B: But don't break the law. Do not put your young ones to work and be found guilty of child labor. Any work stuff. In conclusion, before we depart that you want to share with the national, also. [00:28:12] Speaker A: Parents, there's another avenue. They can also call 800 cop. It's a 24 hour hotline set up by the, I think National Family Services and they will connect you with the services that you require. [00:28:28] Speaker B: So 800 cope yes, 800 cope yes on your dial pads and you can get help. [00:28:35] Speaker A: Don't stay home frustrated, you can call that number and somebody will be able to guide you in the correct path. [00:28:41] Speaker B: At least have a conversation. [00:28:42] Speaker C: And to all out there listening, if you see something as usual, say something. [00:28:47] Speaker B: Amen to that. Thank you so much guys for passing through this morning and chatting with us here on Freedom 106.5 FM. [00:28:53] Speaker A: The best insight, instant feedback, accountability, the. [00:28:57] Speaker B: All new Talk Radio Freedom 106.5.